but the dsm popping has a use. they didnt have to make a SRT run THAT rich... and they do run too rich, my friend has one, i know ive seen his AFR papers on the dyno

 

Since I started this thread, I should probably comment. As always, WarrTalon has summed things up pretty well. I think alot of us buy the Evo with straight line aspirations b/c of the 60' times and the modability of it. After racing from 80 to 100 against my friends bone stock 2003 Maxima, I believe that stock evos could lose to srt4s on the expressway. He got a jump on me of about 1 second and still lost, but I was shocked at how long it took me to catch him. By 100, I had a car and a half on him and was pulling pretty hard, but I didn't realize how much the evo suffered on the top due to awd. Against the same car from a light (With a very conservative launch) I absolutely wasted him. On the top end, it took me a while to really separate when he got a head start.

 

srt4s are not to be underestimated...on a roll they are dangerous...if you're gonna run one from a roll..make sure you're in power band...they have less drivetrain loss ...so they hook up and go quicker...plus they are slightly lighter and a little less quicker... AWD SRT4 is gonna be a evo killer...just make sure you got your mods now b4 they come out ....lol

 

Huh? The dsm popping has a use? What are you talking about dude?

Look man, you know nothing about why the srt runs rich. Even if you have friend who owns one.

Here is a quote from Ethan Bayer, engine calibrator for the SRT-4 in regards to why the car runs rich:

"All turbo cars run rich if they are designed with durability in mind. Extra fuel is used to keep the exhaust gas temperature and in cylinder temperature down to a reasonable level. The calibrated steady state exhaust temp entering the turbine is 1720F. That is much hotter than most other production turbo cars. If you lean out the A/F, you will increase the exhaust temps beyond a safe limit and you will most likely cause knock.

I am very frustrated that many people think that an engine system can be produced by an OEM and that the OEM has overlooked something as critical as fuel control. I can assure you that the fuel system is working correctly. Why is a guy who can strap a car to a dyno and stick a sensor in the exhaust pipe considered more of an expert on calibration than a company with millions of dollars of calibration equipment who designed the engine? Next time your local dyno operator tells you your A/F is too rich ask him how A/F affects spark advance or what MBT timing is or what CA50 is or what is the optimal location of peak cylinder pressure or what effect does spark advance have on exhaust temperature or what is the relationship between MAP and spark advance or what is RON or what is MON or how does A/F affect burn rate or what was the T1T for the run. Read books and learn. Do not rely on forums or so called "tuner shops" for your only source of knowledge. Read proper text books on internal combustion engines and you will be able to filter out the BS from the facts. I would not want the personal trainers at the gym to perform surgery on me. So do you want a mechanic to calibrate your engine control system?"

 

damn...good quote from Ethan...

 

I'm pretty impressed with the SRT-4's. Just the other day I ran into one in Arlington and he Kicked my a$$ on hwy 360. It took him untill 100 untill he passed me, but when he did it was like I was standing still. The driver said he was running a gt40 turbo with alky injection. I had no idea people were using that large of a turbo in those cars.

 

ethan is one smart mother...

 

i'm gonna have to disagree with you on many of your views cuz my old SRT4 was built solid... never had a problem with it in the time I owned it....I mean for $20K its a great car for the price. The axles, clutch, motor, tranny are already extremely well built from the factory. And the shifter wasnt too bad either. overall the car has a lot of power potentail, but I like how the evo has better handling, steering, braking abilities....

 

Awesome argument dude

My old man drives a 92 nissan pickup truck. How could anyone NOT want that

 

Im not fighting over whos faster or whos better. That is pointless the Evo wins hands down. Im arguing the fact that all of you guys are so ignorant in thinking that the SRT4 is nothing but a Neon with a turbo on it. My point is this car is more then just that and yall are acting like its a joke on the street. Well that joke is right on your ***(yes on your *** not in front )sometimes.

 

This whole thread is retarded.


SRT4's are decent little cars..especially for the price. Ok, yay..you are quick from a roll, but who really considers racing from a roll an actual "race". The other problem with it is it doesn't have power rear windows which I find very cheesy. Not to mention it looks a lot more like a neon then the EVO does a lancer..I don't think you can argue that (not to mention those silly rims that come on it).

Overall though the EVO is simply a better car..as well as it should be because it costs 10k more. I'm not gonna go into detail though because I think it has been explained in the previous 9 pages. In reality though you all know about 75% of SRT4 owners would get an EVO if they have the coin to do so. It's simply a better performing/looking car all the way around.

 

Thanks for not being a typical srt-4 owner

 

I know there are a few on here that dislike the SRT-4 and will argue they are pieces of crap. They really aren't bad cars at all. No they aren't AWD, but for a FWD car they are pretty impressive to say the least.

Compared to my old eclipse when it was stock, the stock SRT-4 probably has less problems than my old 96 gst did. I would've given up my piece of crap 96 turbo eclipse for a SRT-4 in a heart beat. IF I could keep my eclipse running properly it was fun to drive, but the damn thing had crankwalk TWICE, broke down repeatedly, and constantly gave me problems. The dealer always gave me problems, whats new. Nothing has changed with the crappy service, thats for sure.

I am modding my Evo because it is my car of choice. I said I would never own another Mitsubishi as long as I live, BUT because I personally believe the Evolution is a better built car than my old eclipse, I am giving Mitsubishi another chance.

Back to SRT-4's. My friend here locally has one and he is pushing just over 410whp on 93pump and when he replaces his wastgate spring, on race gas he should be well over 500whp. He could only put down 446whp 423trq on race gas because of the wastgate spring not holding. The car feels unreal and handls on rails. One of his few trips to the track yielded an 11.7 @120. I wouldn't exactly call this unimpressive. On the highway his car is a beast. Turning corners his car is very impressive too. The car just gets up and goes.

For a FWD car, you have to give them some credit. If you don't, your only fooling yourself. Like someone else said, all cars can be modded to move fast.

Just my .02.

 

someone close this thread

 

I want the EVO in the vid.