How fast are SRT-4s
i've owned an 04 Eblue SRT4 before my EVO and I must say that, the SRT4 served its purpose well for the 1 year or so that I owned it. I sure was fast in a straight line. But I got my EVO since I've always wanted one since day one.
In addition i got the EVO because it excels in traction/braking/handling/styling, and has potential to be wicked fast.
All in all, when i knew I was getting the EVO I didnt drive my SRT4 for like a whole 6 weeks cuz I was bored of owning it. The last time I drove my SRT4 was when i was delivering it to the new owners house.
In addition i got the EVO because it excels in traction/braking/handling/styling, and has potential to be wicked fast.
All in all, when i knew I was getting the EVO I didnt drive my SRT4 for like a whole 6 weeks cuz I was bored of owning it. The last time I drove my SRT4 was when i was delivering it to the new owners house.
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
1) I see no evidence to the contrary. Do you? You told me the pedigree of the engineers who worked on the design of the SRT-4. You didn't say they made the car to be a competitive race car. Whether or not that was their initial desire, that is not what they ended up making.
2) Ok, so you define a car's "class" as other cars in its price range, yet I still saw no SRT-4s competing at the SCCA Divisional. So, how again does the SRT-4 dominate its class? Do you mean, it can beat anything in its class from a roll on the highway? The SRT-4 has classes that it belongs to in the SCCA, yet I saw _0_ SRT-4s. There were three regular Neons, 2 of which were ACRs.
3) That's not hating, that's just the ugly truth. There are _MANY_ ricers driving Evo's, too, so don't think I'm singling out SRT-4s. It's just that Evos are NOT low-priced, so they don't fit that whole description. As for the BOVs, I sure with the local ones would stop trying their hardest to make sure I know they have a turbo...it's so freakin' annoying.
2) Ok, so you define a car's "class" as other cars in its price range, yet I still saw no SRT-4s competing at the SCCA Divisional. So, how again does the SRT-4 dominate its class? Do you mean, it can beat anything in its class from a roll on the highway? The SRT-4 has classes that it belongs to in the SCCA, yet I saw _0_ SRT-4s. There were three regular Neons, 2 of which were ACRs.
3) That's not hating, that's just the ugly truth. There are _MANY_ ricers driving Evo's, too, so don't think I'm singling out SRT-4s. It's just that Evos are NOT low-priced, so they don't fit that whole description. As for the BOVs, I sure with the local ones would stop trying their hardest to make sure I know they have a turbo...it's so freakin' annoying.
"If the SRT-4 is not built for straight line performance, then what was it built for?"
Your OPINION says that it was built for straight line but my facts say otherwise. Whether or not you want to believe that a lot of R&D went into the tuning of the suspension to make the car handle well is your issue.
2) I never mentioned SCCA. I'm talking about anything new today that costs $21k or less that can accelerate faster, stop faster, slalom faster, and skid pad faster than the SRT-4. But now that you mention SCCA, I'm not quite familiar with all the classes and all but as I mentioned previously, Mopar had two SRT-4s in the T2 class as well as a few other non-Mopar sponsored SRT-4s. Roach Racing had a black one in the Grand Am Cup series and then there was the Grassroots Motorsport Magazine Project SRT-4 that ran the Solo II and I believe did fairly well. Snyder Motorsports had a couple of SRT-4s in T2 and ITE. There a plenty more. You mean to tell me you never saw ONE SRT-4? Hmm...strange...
Last edited by evo77; Aug 27, 2005 at 09:17 PM.
Originally Posted by evo77
"If the SRT-4 is not built for straight line performance, then what was it built for?"
Your OPINION says that it was built for straight line but my facts say otherwise. Whether or not you want to believe that a lot of R&D went into the tuning of the suspension to make the car handle well is your issue.
2) I never mentioned SCCA. I'm talking about anything new today that costs $21k or less that can accelerate faster, stop faster, slalom faster, and skid pad faster than the SRT-4. But now that you mention SCCA, I'm not quite familiar with all the classes and all but as I mentioned previously, Mopar had two SRT-4s in the T2 class as well as a few other non-Mopar sponsored SRT-4s. Roach Racing had a black one in the Grand Am Cup series and then there was the Grassroots Motorsport Magazine Project SRT-4 that ran the Solo II and I believe did fairly well. Snyder Motorsports had a couple of SRT-4s in T2 and ITE. There a plenty more. You mean to tell me you never saw ONE SRT-4? Hmm...strange...
Your OPINION says that it was built for straight line but my facts say otherwise. Whether or not you want to believe that a lot of R&D went into the tuning of the suspension to make the car handle well is your issue.
2) I never mentioned SCCA. I'm talking about anything new today that costs $21k or less that can accelerate faster, stop faster, slalom faster, and skid pad faster than the SRT-4. But now that you mention SCCA, I'm not quite familiar with all the classes and all but as I mentioned previously, Mopar had two SRT-4s in the T2 class as well as a few other non-Mopar sponsored SRT-4s. Roach Racing had a black one in the Grand Am Cup series and then there was the Grassroots Motorsport Magazine Project SRT-4 that ran the Solo II and I believe did fairly well. Snyder Motorsports had a couple of SRT-4s in T2 and ITE. There a plenty more. You mean to tell me you never saw ONE SRT-4? Hmm...strange...
I know you never mentioned SCCA, but what is a better organization to use as a point of reference? Yes, I never saw an SRT-4 at the divisional. If you go look at the results, there are no SRT-4s listed. It's pretty simple. As I said, though, there were a few ACRs.
Regardless of what those engineers were PLANNING to do, they did NOT produce a car that is good at anything other than straight-line performance. I've said this 3 or 4 times now maybe? Those engineers may have meant well, but they DIDN'T SUCCEED. Either that, or the Dodge big wigs chose to do things to it to make it more appealing to the avg kiddie ricer, such as make the rear end stick up higher than the front...
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Hey, man, please try to get practical here. To prove that the SRT-4 was built well for all types of racing, you give examples of fully-built race cars owned by major shops? I'm talking about you...me...the guy next door. You can't go buy an SRT-4 right now, then go out and compete in ANY form of racing. That's the point. You can BUILD ANY CAR to make it fast. I'm sure you know that.
I know you never mentioned SCCA, but what is a better organization to use as a point of reference? Yes, I never saw an SRT-4 at the divisional. If you go look at the results, there are no SRT-4s listed. It's pretty simple. As I said, though, there were a few ACRs.
Regardless of what those engineers were PLANNING to do, they did NOT produce a car that is good at anything other than straight-line performance. I've said this 3 or 4 times now maybe? Those engineers may have meant well, but they DIDN'T SUCCEED. Either that, or the Dodge big wigs chose to do things to it to make it more appealing to the avg kiddie ricer, such as make the rear end stick up higher than the front...
I know you never mentioned SCCA, but what is a better organization to use as a point of reference? Yes, I never saw an SRT-4 at the divisional. If you go look at the results, there are no SRT-4s listed. It's pretty simple. As I said, though, there were a few ACRs.
Regardless of what those engineers were PLANNING to do, they did NOT produce a car that is good at anything other than straight-line performance. I've said this 3 or 4 times now maybe? Those engineers may have meant well, but they DIDN'T SUCCEED. Either that, or the Dodge big wigs chose to do things to it to make it more appealing to the avg kiddie ricer, such as make the rear end stick up higher than the front...
Dude, please read THOROUGHLY. The examples I gave of the race cars was in reference to your statement that you never saw any in SCCA so I posted examples to show that there were indeed SRT-4s in the SCCA.
And again, purely your OPINION that the car was only built for straight line performance. That is now my 3rd time saying that. It appears that you hold cars in a lower price bracket to higher standards because you drive a MR.
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get over it SRT owners , this whole thread is a joke .... who cares about turbo neons and lancers fighting about who's faster .... yes i am 16 with a 31,000.00 lancer and i'll smoke your neon .... lets internet race .... i mean , how stupid are all these debates ......about as pointless as a pillow in the shape of a knife !!! LOL
Originally Posted by H-TownSRT4Racer
Wow your the 16 yr old that Im talking about. Your a very mature person.
Originally Posted by joaquin654
get over it SRT owners , this whole thread is a joke .... who cares about turbo neons and lancers fighting about who's faster .... yes i am 16 with a 31,000.00 lancer and i'll smoke your neon .... lets internet race .... i mean , how stupid are all these debates ......about as pointless as a pillow in the shape of a knife !!! LOL
LOL!-----^ I love that!! Pillow in the shape of a knife!!!
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yes my brotha ..... this **** is hilarious ! i love both cars really . i'm just 27 , married , and ready to argue dumb **** with other people besides my wife ! so let the pointless bull**** about racing continue .... LOL if they take it to heart then i'll egg them on ....come on SRT owners ..... get the bully in his Evo .... LOL
To be honest, ive seen more SRT people with Ego, then evo people... It must be depending on where you go though i guess. When i went to the HKS meet last week, everybody didnt seem like the "s*** talking" and the egotistical people you SRT owners make it seem like.. Those people i met are the same people that are on this very forum.
EDIT: Mabye its just that some of the evo owners grow a sac once they are in front of the monitor, who knows.
EDIT: Mabye its just that some of the evo owners grow a sac once they are in front of the monitor, who knows.
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Bottom Line ITS STILL A NEON lol never really like the look of it, i mean they should have atleast put a better front end and lowered the back end and atleast sumthing like RWD and compete against the mustangs lol my 2 cents
For me I know I can think I'm all that with my EVO but I dont. I just wanna enjoy my car and enjoy the driving experience.
I got nothing to prove and i know my car's capabilities and its culture... so I just go about cruising down the blvd minding my business, having a good time.
my car attractes a lot of attention, everything from envious ricers, soccer moms and dads, and sedans full teenagers and their teenage driver, and even from cops I pass by. But its all good, I remember the time when I didnt own an EVO and would stare and tail one anytime I saw one pass by....
so all in all whatever you drive just enjoy the ride...and dont street race
I got nothing to prove and i know my car's capabilities and its culture... so I just go about cruising down the blvd minding my business, having a good time.
my car attractes a lot of attention, everything from envious ricers, soccer moms and dads, and sedans full teenagers and their teenage driver, and even from cops I pass by. But its all good, I remember the time when I didnt own an EVO and would stare and tail one anytime I saw one pass by....
so all in all whatever you drive just enjoy the ride...and dont street race
Ive been wanting to get my hands on an SRT-4 now forever. Never got a chance in the Talon and only one so far with the Evo. We lined up at the track last month at PRP. At about the 330 foot mark he was 10+ cars behind, no joke. Before someone calls BS, he was tuning his boost on the track, I guess he set it too high and had to let off.
So, Im still itching for a race.. anyone in the Morgantown, WV area have or know anyone with an SRT-4 and simple mods willing to run me? Dig, roll, who cares.. convince me it is more than just a glorified Neon.
So, Im still itching for a race.. anyone in the Morgantown, WV area have or know anyone with an SRT-4 and simple mods willing to run me? Dig, roll, who cares.. convince me it is more than just a glorified Neon.
SRT-4's are pieces of garbage. How many older folks do you see driving them? None. All it is is a marketing scheme from Dodge aimed at young people so they can rice out their cars. Dodge even makes the SRT rice from the factory by purposely adding more fuel to the a/f ratio while revving the engine so that the exhaust produces that crackling sound. Come on, now. Not knowing whether they do or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if the SRT's come from the factory with vta Bov's. Oh and the shifter on these cars is probably the worst I've ever used. I'm not doubting the performance of the SRT-4, as they are quite fast for being only 21 g's. But all in all, it's still a piece of $hit.
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Originally Posted by Thegame
Dodge even makes the SRT rice from the factory by purposely adding more fuel to the a/f ratio while revving the engine so that the exhaust produces that crackling sound.
The exhaust pops are just a bi-product of a very rich running car (to keep egt's down) running through a non-mufflerized exhaust system. I've heard plenty of DSM's that run straight exhausts pop in the same fashion.