Probly old topic...engine swap
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the car is a 2001, and the engine is out of a 96 gst eclipse i think, but i am still sort of still shopping for an engine so it is dsm, i looked into jdm, and i think i am just going to do mods to a dsm and make enough power for myself :P
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You might want to re-consider your project, since the DSM (1/2G) 4G63 is located on the "opposite" side of the engine bay as compared to the 5G Mirage and EVO IV - VIII.
Someone on Mirage Forum was trying to put a DSM 4G63 into a 5G (1997-2001) mirage but ended up spending boat load more cash than he originally planned..
Either way, from what I researched, it would be easier to get an EVO IV+ engine to put it in a 5G Mirage.
You might want to read the FAQ I put together...just click the link in my signature...
Someone on Mirage Forum was trying to put a DSM 4G63 into a 5G (1997-2001) mirage but ended up spending boat load more cash than he originally planned..
Either way, from what I researched, it would be easier to get an EVO IV+ engine to put it in a 5G Mirage.
You might want to read the FAQ I put together...just click the link in my signature...
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From the FAQ (you see, the answer is within easy reach...):
Q: What about if I want to swap in a 4G63 (turbo) and keep it FWD? What is need and how it can be done?
A: The FWD 4G63T was only available in 1st/2nd Gen DSM (US exclusive models), not on JDM EVOs. The engine configuration for the DSM’s 4G63T with transmission is totally different than that of the 5G Mirage and the new Lancer. The engine on the US-spec DSM is "turned" 180 degree compared to the Lancer/5G Mirage/Lancer EVO IV+ engine. The 1/2G 4G63T (engine only) has the same configuration and exterior dimension of EVO I-III ones.
If you're determined to have the DSM's FWD engine to work in a 5G Mirage/new US Lancer, prepare to re-weld all the motor and transmission mounts and relocate most of the components in the engine bay then.
On the other hand, if you’re looking to use an EVO IV+ (CN9A) 4G63T and use a FWD transmission with it, you still have to determine what transmission to use. From a source that has extensive knowledge and expertise with Mitsu/DSM/EVOs (I would not like to put name on this one, since it might create problems for their business), you can weld the center differential “dead” and keep using the transmission that comes with the engine. However, you will need a new set of front axles and EVO’s front suspension to match that.
An alternative will be using the 1.8 5G Mirage transmission. It should bolt up with minimal modification. However, this transmission is made to handle much less power and torque. If you elect to use this gearbox, you’re at your own risk of breaking the transmission due to substantially increased torque (from ~100 lb/ft to >250 lb/ft)
Q: I have read in magazines about swapping a DSM’s 4G63T into a 5G Mirage, why can’t I do it to the new Lancer?
A: First of all, you’re reading about Sean Glazer’s 5G Mirage coupe with a Talon’s Tsi engine that’s FWD. He basically took out everything from the engine bay, re-weld every single mount and relocated every vital component. He said and I quote, “it’s highly un-feasible for a daily driver” and he finally gave up on this vehicle and stop racing with it.
Q: You said the DSM engine is similar to the EVO I-III ones, what US model will be able to accept this engine?
A: The 3rd Gen Mirage/Colt/Summit from 89-92 (not sure on the 89 part), and 4th Gen Mirage/Colt/Summit (93-96) should be capable of receiving such transplant. For 4G, if you're looking for a sedan (coupe has different front end), they were only available in 93-94.
There are many 3rd Gen owners out there performed such swap with a FWD 4G63T already. Since the turbo Mirage came with 4G61T, which is fairly similar in terms of exterior dimension and configuration. This operation is relatively easy to perform.
On the other hand, I would assume it would be easy (relatively speaking compared to a 5th Gen) to do a 4G63T swap in to 4th Gen Mirage/Colt/Summit. Since the 4G Mirage has the same engine configuration compared to 1/2G DSM and parts will be easier to find with all those DSMs out there.
A: The FWD 4G63T was only available in 1st/2nd Gen DSM (US exclusive models), not on JDM EVOs. The engine configuration for the DSM’s 4G63T with transmission is totally different than that of the 5G Mirage and the new Lancer. The engine on the US-spec DSM is "turned" 180 degree compared to the Lancer/5G Mirage/Lancer EVO IV+ engine. The 1/2G 4G63T (engine only) has the same configuration and exterior dimension of EVO I-III ones.
If you're determined to have the DSM's FWD engine to work in a 5G Mirage/new US Lancer, prepare to re-weld all the motor and transmission mounts and relocate most of the components in the engine bay then.
On the other hand, if you’re looking to use an EVO IV+ (CN9A) 4G63T and use a FWD transmission with it, you still have to determine what transmission to use. From a source that has extensive knowledge and expertise with Mitsu/DSM/EVOs (I would not like to put name on this one, since it might create problems for their business), you can weld the center differential “dead” and keep using the transmission that comes with the engine. However, you will need a new set of front axles and EVO’s front suspension to match that.
An alternative will be using the 1.8 5G Mirage transmission. It should bolt up with minimal modification. However, this transmission is made to handle much less power and torque. If you elect to use this gearbox, you’re at your own risk of breaking the transmission due to substantially increased torque (from ~100 lb/ft to >250 lb/ft)
Q: I have read in magazines about swapping a DSM’s 4G63T into a 5G Mirage, why can’t I do it to the new Lancer?
A: First of all, you’re reading about Sean Glazer’s 5G Mirage coupe with a Talon’s Tsi engine that’s FWD. He basically took out everything from the engine bay, re-weld every single mount and relocated every vital component. He said and I quote, “it’s highly un-feasible for a daily driver” and he finally gave up on this vehicle and stop racing with it.
Q: You said the DSM engine is similar to the EVO I-III ones, what US model will be able to accept this engine?
A: The 3rd Gen Mirage/Colt/Summit from 89-92 (not sure on the 89 part), and 4th Gen Mirage/Colt/Summit (93-96) should be capable of receiving such transplant. For 4G, if you're looking for a sedan (coupe has different front end), they were only available in 93-94.
There are many 3rd Gen owners out there performed such swap with a FWD 4G63T already. Since the turbo Mirage came with 4G61T, which is fairly similar in terms of exterior dimension and configuration. This operation is relatively easy to perform.
On the other hand, I would assume it would be easy (relatively speaking compared to a 5th Gen) to do a 4G63T swap in to 4th Gen Mirage/Colt/Summit. Since the 4G Mirage has the same engine configuration compared to 1/2G DSM and parts will be easier to find with all those DSMs out there.
Last edited by Lan Evo; Apr 3, 2003 at 04:42 PM.
Originally posted by NsXTypeR
why go thru all that trouble when u can juss import a lancer..best of all u get that new car smell straight from japan (wonder what it smells like)
why go thru all that trouble when u can juss import a lancer..best of all u get that new car smell straight from japan (wonder what it smells like)
good luck on your project too dood!
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