Not impressed with my Evo IV....
Originally Posted by dustin03
trade it back in for you sti.
I drove both before buying the RS, which suited my driving style more than the STI. I can easily see how someone would prefer the Subaru. Perhaps that's where the original poster should be headed.
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I say get rid of the EVO, if it's not your cup of tea, then it's not your cup of tea. Honestly I've driven the STi and it in no way feels faster than a VIII and definitly not my IX. It is a little stronger down low and more linear, but when you get on the gas, the EVO really pulls more than a STi/STI. Maybe your more used to a linear power delivery, because the EVO can seem civil at times when not driven with a little aggression, but honestly the EVO IX is with out a doubt a faster car. Maybe you do have a lemon, I don't know.
Originally Posted by scoob4fun
Well, im past the break in point. Ive got over 800 miles on it and ive been opening it up. Ive got to say im not impressed with a couple of things. Im coming from an STI so im basing this off of my experience with that. The breaks feel very weak. Ive got to really get on the pedal before I can really get them to grab. My STI's breaks felt awsome. Would bite as hard as I wanted with little to no effort.
Im still having issues with the notchy tranny(feels like it wants to grind and clunk) and when i power shift or granny for that matter the engine continues to rev after ive let off the gas and clutched it for my shift???? Its like ive still got the gas pedal to the floor and im putting in the clutch even though ive let off complety for my shift? (I know how to shift so thats not the issue. been driving stick for years and like i said im coming from an STI and has no issues with it) Is this normal for evos? My dealer wouldnt let me test drive it so I never knew how they shifted under spirited driving.
Last but not least is the power. Its not there for me. The lag is worse and the power just isnt there. I know its a smaller motor and it makes less WHP then the STI but a head to head in stock form, my old STI felt like it would kill my stock IX. Ive read many posts of how they take to mods so im going to invest a couple grand into mine and I hope that does the trick. Any body chime in with any comments or suggestions since this is just my experience and Im very new to the evo......
Im still having issues with the notchy tranny(feels like it wants to grind and clunk) and when i power shift or granny for that matter the engine continues to rev after ive let off the gas and clutched it for my shift???? Its like ive still got the gas pedal to the floor and im putting in the clutch even though ive let off complety for my shift? (I know how to shift so thats not the issue. been driving stick for years and like i said im coming from an STI and has no issues with it) Is this normal for evos? My dealer wouldnt let me test drive it so I never knew how they shifted under spirited driving.
Last but not least is the power. Its not there for me. The lag is worse and the power just isnt there. I know its a smaller motor and it makes less WHP then the STI but a head to head in stock form, my old STI felt like it would kill my stock IX. Ive read many posts of how they take to mods so im going to invest a couple grand into mine and I hope that does the trick. Any body chime in with any comments or suggestions since this is just my experience and Im very new to the evo......
1. Your brakes are probably not broken in. Just drive it normally and after 1st oil change stomp on it hard. The evo brakes takes a while for the pad to break in. If you really prefer light no feel brakes i'd suggest going with a 2 piston setup or drive a BMW. Light pedal is horrible for brake control on the track.
2. Is your Evo a 6-speed or 5-speed? I had owned both and the tranny needs trans fluid change after 6000 miles since it get very dirty during break in. I feel the mitsubishi trans is more rugged and stronger than the Subaru. The Subaru tranny hates to be rushed.
3. STi feels faster at low end and has nothing after 5 grand. Do not be fooled by the front lift since it gives the STi the feeling "faster". Yes the STi feels faster but go drag race one and you'll see your evo pulls harder.
4. I'm surprised that you have not comment on the steering. The Evo steering is much sharper, faster, and more direct than the Subaru.
Which STi have you owned? The 04 sucks but the 05 has much better steering and suspension feel. I have not driven but rode in a 06 so I cannot make any comment if you came from a 06MY.
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It's funny because I came from a WRX and had driven the STI more than a few times. It was a real tossup for me between the STI and Evo but I can tell you without a doubt that the STI and Evo BRAKES are almost identical and that the Evo pulls harder up top while the STI has more lowend. The Evo brakes may not be quite a grabby with small pressure applied but that's actually a good thing and their feel is better and very good in relation to stopping power and pressure applied. Also, for a Suby owner to call an Evo tranny notchy is laughable. Lastly, why the hell would you buy a car without test driving it?
My evo didnt feel fully broken in till 10k miles and with the mods I just got I feel pretty unstoppable. My buddy and me in his 06 CTS V went at it and I was pullin couple cars on him, and thats before fuel pump and flash.
Well, I have owned both and let me tell you this much...
The harder pull you are feeling is the displacement difference and hence the extra torque off the shelf, but that causes for you to shift quicker too and loose time between shifts.
The evo pulls much harder on the top end, especially the IX
The evo has a much larger stock turbo and hence the extra lag
When I was driving the Sti, yes the shifts were smoother, but much longer and felt like I was driving a mini-bus. Also the stick would rattle half an inch in every direction when at gear.
The evo's handling is superior and much more forgiving. I had Tanabe's and that fixed the problem on my Sti, but you still need the whiteline swaybars, and a whole new set of end links just to make the car more stable.
With the stock turbo you can only run about 310whp and 320wtq. Check out my sig... If I had cams I would make another 20-30whp on a smaller displacement engine.
It is a **** load harder to work with the Sti's engine compartment.
You need a FMIC on the Sti to make any serious power. Stock FMIC on the Evo is good to 450 to the wheels.
Besides all that I loved my Sti...
The harder pull you are feeling is the displacement difference and hence the extra torque off the shelf, but that causes for you to shift quicker too and loose time between shifts.
The evo pulls much harder on the top end, especially the IX
The evo has a much larger stock turbo and hence the extra lag
When I was driving the Sti, yes the shifts were smoother, but much longer and felt like I was driving a mini-bus. Also the stick would rattle half an inch in every direction when at gear.
The evo's handling is superior and much more forgiving. I had Tanabe's and that fixed the problem on my Sti, but you still need the whiteline swaybars, and a whole new set of end links just to make the car more stable.
With the stock turbo you can only run about 310whp and 320wtq. Check out my sig... If I had cams I would make another 20-30whp on a smaller displacement engine.
It is a **** load harder to work with the Sti's engine compartment.
You need a FMIC on the Sti to make any serious power. Stock FMIC on the Evo is good to 450 to the wheels.
Besides all that I loved my Sti...
I understand that the STI cost wayyyy more to upgrade and yes I agree that my EVO handles better then my STI did. Its no comparison in both those aspects. Yes, i drove one. But it was at a dealer and they barley let me put around. I wouldnt even consider it a test drive. I relied on info i had read and what other people had told me on here and other forums. I researched for quite some time since i had an STI before and all my friends in the Portland area drive STI's and recommend them. There really big here. Anyway, there is no doubt in my mind it feels slower and it def dosent shift as smooth nor do the brakes feel up to parr. Is there anyone local in the Portland or Salem area that i can meet up with to compare there's with mine? I would love to see if i got a lemon or its just me and an illusion from the torque. Im even heading up to the Tacoma area for the weekend and could meet up with someone there. And to clarify I have a 5 speed GSR stock.
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Originally Posted by PANGES
dunno what to tell you about the revving thing... my car does it too. I just shift a little slow to match it... shrugs. I never really thought too much about it. It almost seems like the clutch is'nt disengaging fast enough (possibly due to that restrictor pill in the clutch line...?)
Originally Posted by scoob4fun
Well, im past the break in point. Ive got over 800 miles on it and ive been opening it up. Ive got to say im not impressed with a couple of things. Im coming from an STI so im basing this off of my experience with that. The brakes feel very weak. Ive got to really get on the pedal before I can really get them to grab. My STI's brakes felt awsome. Would bite as hard as I wanted with little to no effort.
Im still having issues with the notchy tranny(feels like it wants to grind and clunk) and when i power shift or granny for that matter the engine continues to rev after ive let off the gas and clutched it for my shift???? Its like ive still got the gas pedal to the floor and im putting in the clutch even though ive let off complety for my shift? (I know how to shift so thats not the issue. been driving stick for years and like i said im coming from an STI and has no issues with it) Is this normal for evos? My dealer wouldnt let me test drive it so I never knew how they shifted under spirited driving.
Last but not least is the power. Its not there for me. The lag is worse and the power just isnt there. I know its a smaller motor and it makes less WHP then the STI but a head to head in stock form, my old STI felt like it would kill my stock IX. Ive read many posts of how they take to mods so im going to invest a couple grand into mine and I hope that does the trick. Any body chime in with any comments or suggestions since this is just my experience and Im very new to the evo......
Im still having issues with the notchy tranny(feels like it wants to grind and clunk) and when i power shift or granny for that matter the engine continues to rev after ive let off the gas and clutched it for my shift???? Its like ive still got the gas pedal to the floor and im putting in the clutch even though ive let off complety for my shift? (I know how to shift so thats not the issue. been driving stick for years and like i said im coming from an STI and has no issues with it) Is this normal for evos? My dealer wouldnt let me test drive it so I never knew how they shifted under spirited driving.
Last but not least is the power. Its not there for me. The lag is worse and the power just isnt there. I know its a smaller motor and it makes less WHP then the STI but a head to head in stock form, my old STI felt like it would kill my stock IX. Ive read many posts of how they take to mods so im going to invest a couple grand into mine and I hope that does the trick. Any body chime in with any comments or suggestions since this is just my experience and Im very new to the evo......
You need to change the gear fluid and oil. Last thing POWER?
Dude people ran 12.8's on completely stock ix (Correct me if Im wrong)
Ive never seen or heard about an STI doing that.
Also can you slap on 5 things to run 11 sec 1/4miles?
That would be Full exhaust, drop in filter, MBC, Race gas flash, Race fuel?
OK OK, people are starting to get the totaly wrong idea of why i started this thread. Im coming from an STI and im used to its power delivery, handling and braking. I bought the EVO because of all the advantages it had with the power capabality, superior handling, and looks which is totally personal. With that said, in stock form I had a pre determined idea of how my evo should run after it was broken in. So far......the brakes have not been as good, the tranny has been notchy, Im having an over revving issue between shifts and the power does not feel as fast as my stock STI. Everyone keeps spouting off how fast the evo can be with mods and such but i know this. Its why i got it. Im simply asking if its possible i got a lemon or somethiing because im not experiencing what everone has been describing with there STOCk IX's. Mine does not feel as fast as my stock STI. My tranny feels like it wants to grind if i rev it over 5k and shift and when i do shift it revs another grand by itsself. Im asking if these things are normal and if the power is there, im just not noticing it cause of the torque im used to in the STI. Its not just me either. Ive had 3 people ride in my car and tell me they feel the same thing i do?
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Originally Posted by scoob4fun
OK OK, people are starting to get the totaly wrong idea of why i started this thread. Im coming from an STI and im used to its power delivery, handling and braking. I bought the EVO because of all the advantages it had with the power capabality, superior handling, and looks which is totally personal. With that said, in stock form I had a pre determined idea of how my evo should run after it was broken in. So far......the brakes have not been as good, the tranny has been notchy, Im having an over revving issue between shifts and the power does not feel as fast as my stock STI. Everyone keeps spouting off how fast the evo can be with mods and such but i know this. Its why i got it. Im simply asking if its possible i got a lemon or somethiing because im not experiencing what everone has been describing with there STOCk IX's. Mine does not feel as fast as my stock STI. My tranny feels like it wants to grind if i rev it over 5k and shift and when i do shift it revs another grand by itsself. Im asking if these things are normal and if the power is there, im just not noticing it cause of the torque im used to in the STI. Its not just me either. Ive had 3 people ride in my car and tell me they feel the same thing i do?
). I think the tranny is a matter of personal opinion, the EVO doesn't shift like a S2000, but it damn sure isn't that bad compared to a STi, atleast not the one I drove. Your brakes are fine, honestly I just think your crying a little too much and think maybe the slower STi is a better car for you, perhaps you enjoy the sensation of seeming like your going fast in a STi, compared to actually going fast in an EVO. Take it to track and stop b*tching.
3000ways-Im asking questions cause im having issues with my car that i was not expecting. I dont need a##holes like you criticising me for asking for advise/help about my car. Its what these forums are for. If you dont have anything constructive to add then stay out of my tread and **** off.
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Originally Posted by scoob4fun
... Mine does not feel as fast as my stock STI. My tranny feels like it wants to grind if i rev it over 5k and shift and when i do shift it revs another grand by itsself. Im asking if these things are normal and if the power is there, im just not noticing it cause of the torque im used to in the STI. Its not just me either. Ive had 3 people ride in my car and tell me they feel the same thing i do?
it is because the power delivery is smooth unlike the older evo's without the mivec. but if you compare the numbers, it will be faster than your sti
bump for the answer about the revving thing when he shifts.
For the tranny, just ride it out. Mitsubishi overbuilt the trannys so you have to wear the metal in for quite a while. Mine was really rediculous when I first got the car. I'm at almost 6k miles now and it's start to go into each gear pretty smooth now. Dont try to shift TOO fast of you'll grind and mess up your syncros before they can wear in good. I dont necessarily think you got a lemon either. Everything you listed is pretty common for brand new evos. BTW: The first time I drove an Evo 9, I was very dissapointed with the way it braked and with the power. Give it some more time for the brakes to bed in, mine would'nt grab and felt sloppy at first, but now they're actually very responsive. As for the power, it simply wont satisfy when stock when compared to an STI if you daily drive the car unless you mod. The torque curve on the STI's are simply smoother and start sooner than an Evo b/c of the extra .5L.
For the tranny, just ride it out. Mitsubishi overbuilt the trannys so you have to wear the metal in for quite a while. Mine was really rediculous when I first got the car. I'm at almost 6k miles now and it's start to go into each gear pretty smooth now. Dont try to shift TOO fast of you'll grind and mess up your syncros before they can wear in good. I dont necessarily think you got a lemon either. Everything you listed is pretty common for brand new evos. BTW: The first time I drove an Evo 9, I was very dissapointed with the way it braked and with the power. Give it some more time for the brakes to bed in, mine would'nt grab and felt sloppy at first, but now they're actually very responsive. As for the power, it simply wont satisfy when stock when compared to an STI if you daily drive the car unless you mod. The torque curve on the STI's are simply smoother and start sooner than an Evo b/c of the extra .5L.
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Originally Posted by scoob4fun
3000ways-Im asking questions cause im having issues with my car that i was not expecting. I dont need a##holes like you criticising me for asking for advise/help about my car. Its what these forums are for. If you dont have anything constructive to add then stay out of my tread and **** off.
Notchiness of your transmission is most likely your opinion and it's just fine, the clunk is normal.
The power is there, if you don't feel like it is then take it to the strip.
Over reving, take it to the dealer see what they have to say.
We've given you plenty of answers, yet the more I read your posts the more I see less asking for help and more b*tching and crying. Be a man and handle your business and stop crying like a little girl.