wow Warr you didn't get the 5th speed rebuilt?

 

Well, there are no clutches specific for the 6spd, because they all work the same for both transmissions (actually all 3 transmissions - the IX 5spd is different, too). Your Tilton would have been fine on the 6spd, so that was a misplaced worry. The rest makes sense, though.

Rydeordie, that information doesn't mean the 6spd is better for drag. It may be better for acceleration to a certain point around 110mph, but beyond that, the 5spd starts to take over, and the higher mph you go, the better it gets.

For instance, when I had a cat-back/mbc/safc, I poured in some 104oct, cranked my boost, then hit a 12.3. However, on that very first run, I hit my rev limiter in 4th before crossing the line. The best I could muster with the stock rev limiter was a 12.22@110.7. The mph would have been higher, but it was limited each time by the gearing. I added a test pipe and downpipe, then ran a best of 12.015@111.7. Again, I couldn't go any faster due to hitting my rev limiter, but this time it was even earlier due to quicker acceleration from the full exhaust. My trap speed was higher, because trap speeds are an average speed between the last 2 boxes, and I was reaching max speed before the first box and basically coasting. I then got a flash to raise my rev limiter and immediately started trapping 112-113 each time. Unfortunately, I never did better than a 12.000 (just my luck), but had I added some more power (e.g. cams), then I would have again been hitting my rev limiter with traps of 114-115. This is bad in 2 ways: 1) you are bouncing off the limiter which holds you back, and 2) you are at an rpm that is well out of the turbo's efficiency, so you're blowing hot air instead of making good power. On an VIII 5spd, this is much less of a problem, because you don't start hitting the rev limiter until 117+, and you are in a much more powerful part of 4th gear due to RPMs being lower.

 

You mean the 6spd? That will get rebuilt/strengthened by Shep, then I will sell it. For my MR, though, I went with a Shep-built 5spd that has custom gearing for road racing.

 

elaborate please. i've been told by some reputable tuners/roadracers in my area that run a 6-speed that this clutch isn't compatible, also, buschurs site states 5-speed only for that clutch.
by the way, what else was needed for the 5-speed swap? how much did the extra's cost? i figure you need at least the 5-speed cables and shifter, what else? is the driver side top mount the same? thanks.

 

Sorry, if somehow the Tilton is designed only to fit the 5spd and is not compatible with the 6spd unlike every other Evo clutch, then I apologize. The way he said it was that he thought clutches in general didn't fit the 6spd unless specifically made for it, which isn't true. That specific Tilton may be different, but there are plenty of twin disks that fit the 5spd and 6spd (Exedy Twin HD, Twin SD, etc). I don't know any details specifically about that Tilton.

I don't know everything needed for the 5spd - Shep gathered it all after a few weeks of figuring it out and ordering everything. At the very least, I needed the shifter, shift box, cables, reverse/speed sensor harness, and tranny brackets (I think). I don't know the cost either - I'm not paying full price.

 

i THINK the reason why the tilton clutch is only good for a 5 speed is because i converts the clutch into a push type and the hydraulic release bearing it self will not fit into a 6 speed with the clutch in there also... just an idea... but yeah... I might not have read enough literature on this board about 6 speeds (being that I have a 5 speed) to weather or not if anyone is running a exedy twin disc clutch on any 6 speed trannys, I've heard of people putting cusco twins in 6 speed trannys though. but yeah i have never seen a 6 speed tranny apart from a car before and I know very little about them. it's just when i did a little research when i was looking into buying an evo i saw tilton didn't make a 6 speed clutch, and 6 speed never touched 10's in the qtr mile, i went with the gsr....

 

That would make more sense due to the hydraulic release bearing, but I don't remember Scott from TTP ever talking about that. He has a 6spd and sells Tilton's, but I don't think he actually used one.

Anyway, it would be cool to know for sure. I don't want to misspeak or mislead anyone.

 

The hydraulic release bearing bracket does not have mounting points on the 6sp transmission. I was the first one to try to fit one on a 6sp.

 

I love my MR. Get whichever car you feel is better for you.

 

And thus it be known...

 

Yes I want a cookie now....

 

I like the MR wheels, but my wallet told me to go with the regular EVO.

 

I Enjoy the MR, it's benefit is the stock suspension, it really is far superior to that of a base Evolution. It is head over heels better then my 2003 was. I also enjoy the VG, looks really cool and only MR's have them OEM

 

If you have the money just get the MR for all the extra's..

 

When I bought my IX, I didn't see any SE trims there. The SE would have suited my needs better because everything in the SE package was useful to me (HIDs, fogs, BBS rims, and aluminum roof). The MR is great if you have the extra cash.