Meth? would you?
Thank you binh.
Methanol does not plug up engines, improper drivers / tunes blow up methanol injected engines.
I have been using 100% meth for a year on my car and i have not had one problem with it... I am in a evo 8 with stock turbo with 10.5 hotside and with bolt on's i am making a little over 400 whp... I will have to agree, getting a good meth kit is important, and with a good fail safe as well and finding a good tuner to do it for u that "KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING"!!!!!!! I have not really herd to many problems with the meth.. For me i was the same way i was scared of tring it and not knowing that much about it and now my next turbo car i will have a meth kit on there to....
+1. How could w/m destroy your car if it is tuned properly and you pay attention to the fluid level?
Sounds more like the people who have had bad experiences with it is because of user error.
W/M injection has been used since the 40's and is proven safe and reliable.
Also, for those who "do not have it readily available" do some research. You may find it is very readily available.
PEAK windshield washer fluid is nothing more than water(65%) and methanol(35%) and is readily available almost anywhere for $1.08/gal.
If you want a 50/50 mix, just stop by your local paint store. I guarantee they have what you are looking for. Just add some distilled water and you are good to go...
Sounds more like the people who have had bad experiences with it is because of user error.
W/M injection has been used since the 40's and is proven safe and reliable.
Also, for those who "do not have it readily available" do some research. You may find it is very readily available.
PEAK windshield washer fluid is nothing more than water(65%) and methanol(35%) and is readily available almost anywhere for $1.08/gal.
If you want a 50/50 mix, just stop by your local paint store. I guarantee they have what you are looking for. Just add some distilled water and you are good to go...
+1. How could w/m destroy your car if it is tuned properly and you pay attention to the fluid level?
Sounds more like the people who have had bad experiences with it is because of user error.
W/M injection has been used since the 40's and is proven safe and reliable.
Also, for those who "do not have it readily available" do some research. You may find it is very readily available.
PEAK windshield washer fluid is nothing more than water(65%) and methanol(35%) and is readily available almost anywhere for $1.08/gal.
If you want a 50/50 mix, just stop by your local paint store. I guarantee they have what you are looking for. Just add some distilled water and you are good to go...
Sounds more like the people who have had bad experiences with it is because of user error.
W/M injection has been used since the 40's and is proven safe and reliable.
Also, for those who "do not have it readily available" do some research. You may find it is very readily available.
PEAK windshield washer fluid is nothing more than water(65%) and methanol(35%) and is readily available almost anywhere for $1.08/gal.
If you want a 50/50 mix, just stop by your local paint store. I guarantee they have what you are looking for. Just add some distilled water and you are good to go...
1. Equal distribution is not guaranteed.
2. The trigger (MAP, IDC, MAF) has to engage, power has to go to the pump, the pump has to turn on the pump has to push fluid through the line, the nozzle has to spray, the spray has to reach the intake manifold and cylinders. All of this has to happen before the octane or cooling is needed to deter detonation. Will smaller stock turbos they spool zero to 34psi in under a second and methanol will not alway reach the cylinders before detonation can occur.
3. Pump seals WILL WEAR and leak.
4. Pump fittings will leak
5. Nozzles will leak
6. Lines can develop pinholes
7. Solenoids can fail
8. Shurflo pump hats can leak
9. Pressure switches can leak
10. Methanol can siphon into intake pipes hydrolocking engine
11. Boost can backtrack through the nozzle to the pump, losing prime and having no methanol available on the next trigger.
12. Tank fittings can leak.
13. Pump can lose prime from low or out of fluid.
14. Run out of fluid.
15. High Boost associated with needing meth injection can pop off FPR line= lean condition.
16. IDC triggered systems will shut off is you ride the rev limiter at the end of the track= lean condition.
Here are a handful of circumstances not related to tuning that can destroy an engine.
Because it is a mechanical device, crude in nature and it sprays before the throttle plate.
1. Equal distribution is not guaranteed.
Depending on nozzle size, nozzle mount location and setup this window can be narrowed down
2. The trigger (MAP, IDC, MAF) has to engage, power has to go to the pump, the pump has to turn on the pump has to push fluid through the line, the nozzle has to spray, the spray has to reach the intake manifold and cylinders. All of this has to happen before the octane or cooling is needed to deter detonation. Will smaller stock turbos they spool zero to 34psi in under a second and methanol will not alway reach the cylinders before detonation can occur.
Pre prime pump before runs to make sure there is fluid ready in the lines. Make sure start/trigger point gives enough time to for meth to atomize in cylinders, this is where good tuning comes in handy
3. Pump seals WILL WEAR and leak.
Inevitable, more so with 100% meth, inspect pump internals every 3-6months
4. Pump fittings will leak
Depending on the grade of methanol, this will happen, also continous installation and removal of tubing to fittings will cause leaks. Lastly cutting the tubing with a razor blade / exacto knife will ensure that the fittings get a good bite, don't use scissors or wire cutters
5. Nozzles will leak
Install nozzles properly, yellow oil resistant teflon tape on nozzle threads
6. Lines can develop pinholes
Don't use cheap homedepot/lowes tubing, spend the extra money on teflon coated high temp tubing(can be purchased at mcmastercarr.com )
7. Solenoids can fail
Back up the solenoids with a quality failsafe(s) eg DDS3 Aquamist w/ Flow sensor + zeitronix Zavt + Tephra & JOT map switching
8. Shurflo pump hats can leak
Inspect every 3-6months, test kit off car...this is pretty much inevitable with 100% after a period of time
9. Pressure switches can leak
Hobbswitch, durable well made...quality.
10. Methanol can siphon into intake pipes hydrolocking engine
Electronic check valve, solder connections to relays, triggers and make sure pump is lower than tank
11. Boost can backtrack through the nozzle to the pump, losing prime and having no methanol available on the next trigger.
Electronic check valve
12. Tank fittings can leak.
Visual inspection every 3-6months, also methanol resistant sealers on fittings helps.
13. Pump can lose prime from low or out of fluid.
Low fluid indicator, and inspection of tank to double check fluid levels
14. Run out of fluid.
Low fluid indicator
15. High Boost associated with needing meth injection can pop off FPR line= lean condition.
Proper clamps + glue
16. IDC triggered systems will shut off is you ride the rev limiter at the end of the track= lean condition.
correct failsafes and settings or use alternate trigger
Here are a handful of circumstances not related to tuning that can destroy an engine.
1. Equal distribution is not guaranteed.
Depending on nozzle size, nozzle mount location and setup this window can be narrowed down
2. The trigger (MAP, IDC, MAF) has to engage, power has to go to the pump, the pump has to turn on the pump has to push fluid through the line, the nozzle has to spray, the spray has to reach the intake manifold and cylinders. All of this has to happen before the octane or cooling is needed to deter detonation. Will smaller stock turbos they spool zero to 34psi in under a second and methanol will not alway reach the cylinders before detonation can occur.
Pre prime pump before runs to make sure there is fluid ready in the lines. Make sure start/trigger point gives enough time to for meth to atomize in cylinders, this is where good tuning comes in handy
3. Pump seals WILL WEAR and leak.
Inevitable, more so with 100% meth, inspect pump internals every 3-6months
4. Pump fittings will leak
Depending on the grade of methanol, this will happen, also continous installation and removal of tubing to fittings will cause leaks. Lastly cutting the tubing with a razor blade / exacto knife will ensure that the fittings get a good bite, don't use scissors or wire cutters
5. Nozzles will leak
Install nozzles properly, yellow oil resistant teflon tape on nozzle threads
6. Lines can develop pinholes
Don't use cheap homedepot/lowes tubing, spend the extra money on teflon coated high temp tubing(can be purchased at mcmastercarr.com )
7. Solenoids can fail
Back up the solenoids with a quality failsafe(s) eg DDS3 Aquamist w/ Flow sensor + zeitronix Zavt + Tephra & JOT map switching
8. Shurflo pump hats can leak
Inspect every 3-6months, test kit off car...this is pretty much inevitable with 100% after a period of time
9. Pressure switches can leak
Hobbswitch, durable well made...quality.
10. Methanol can siphon into intake pipes hydrolocking engine
Electronic check valve, solder connections to relays, triggers and make sure pump is lower than tank
11. Boost can backtrack through the nozzle to the pump, losing prime and having no methanol available on the next trigger.
Electronic check valve
12. Tank fittings can leak.
Visual inspection every 3-6months, also methanol resistant sealers on fittings helps.
13. Pump can lose prime from low or out of fluid.
Low fluid indicator, and inspection of tank to double check fluid levels
14. Run out of fluid.
Low fluid indicator
15. High Boost associated with needing meth injection can pop off FPR line= lean condition.
Proper clamps + glue
16. IDC triggered systems will shut off is you ride the rev limiter at the end of the track= lean condition.
correct failsafes and settings or use alternate trigger
Here are a handful of circumstances not related to tuning that can destroy an engine.
Because it is a mechanical device, crude in nature and it sprays before the throttle plate.
1. Equal distribution is not guaranteed.
2. The trigger (MAP, IDC, MAF) has to engage, power has to go to the pump, the pump has to turn on the pump has to push fluid through the line, the nozzle has to spray, the spray has to reach the intake manifold and cylinders. All of this has to happen before the octane or cooling is needed to deter detonation. Will smaller stock turbos they spool zero to 34psi in under a second and methanol will not alway reach the cylinders before detonation can occur.
3. Pump seals WILL WEAR and leak.
4. Pump fittings will leak
5. Nozzles will leak
6. Lines can develop pinholes
7. Solenoids can fail
8. Shurflo pump hats can leak
9. Pressure switches can leak
10. Methanol can siphon into intake pipes hydrolocking engine
11. Boost can backtrack through the nozzle to the pump, losing prime and having no methanol available on the next trigger.
12. Tank fittings can leak.
13. Pump can lose prime from low or out of fluid.
14. Run out of fluid.
15. High Boost associated with needing meth injection can pop off FPR line= lean condition.
16. IDC triggered systems will shut off is you ride the rev limiter at the end of the track= lean condition.
Here are a handful of circumstances not related to tuning that can destroy an engine.
1. Equal distribution is not guaranteed.
2. The trigger (MAP, IDC, MAF) has to engage, power has to go to the pump, the pump has to turn on the pump has to push fluid through the line, the nozzle has to spray, the spray has to reach the intake manifold and cylinders. All of this has to happen before the octane or cooling is needed to deter detonation. Will smaller stock turbos they spool zero to 34psi in under a second and methanol will not alway reach the cylinders before detonation can occur.
3. Pump seals WILL WEAR and leak.
4. Pump fittings will leak
5. Nozzles will leak
6. Lines can develop pinholes
7. Solenoids can fail
8. Shurflo pump hats can leak
9. Pressure switches can leak
10. Methanol can siphon into intake pipes hydrolocking engine
11. Boost can backtrack through the nozzle to the pump, losing prime and having no methanol available on the next trigger.
12. Tank fittings can leak.
13. Pump can lose prime from low or out of fluid.
14. Run out of fluid.
15. High Boost associated with needing meth injection can pop off FPR line= lean condition.
16. IDC triggered systems will shut off is you ride the rev limiter at the end of the track= lean condition.
Here are a handful of circumstances not related to tuning that can destroy an engine.
In addition, if there was such a problem with the lines used for these kits I think they would have addressed them by now. Automotive vaccume lines are conditioned to withstand the added ethanol content in today's fuels. If people can run e85 without incident than they shouldn't have any problem with a 50/50 mix.
If the Air Force was willing to inject water/methanol in their old fighters to double their output, I think I can live with some of the possible dangers.
Just get a dual map setup for safety's sake.
