I was hoping the new X would have the DSG tranny. However, I'm not too concerned if it has another type of A/T. I recently test drove the 335i with the Steptronic and it was incredibly good. I would have sworn it was a DSG. There is not sluggishness with the torque converter and the tranny shifted like a manual. It even blipped the throttle while downshifting automatically in the sports mode.... Sure I'd like to get a nice EVO with the DSG, but all is not lost if they are clever with whatever A/T they use.

 

Don't forget that a DSG has two clutches to worry about/upgrade/replace. Considering that many will upgrade the power, a single clutch, simpler system may be more benificial in the long term.

 

IMHO, up-grading and modifying is a slippery slope. Personally, I've had enough of it and I prefer to leave the car pretty much stock. For a small increase of power such as a reflash of some kind, the stock clutches and trannies are probably quite adequate. I'll take the DSG or similar transmission over the standard shift any time. Some of those new paddle shifter or automatic transmissions are incredibly good.

 

Why are you guys assuming all this garbage?

First of all the title clearly says speculation,then the poster makes the jump between pure imagination and outright fact by saying: "I've always hoped the next Evo would have a DSG-style gearbox, but that's not gonna happen."

Which is it? Speculation or you know... "that's not gonna happen." ?

Fact is,I hope it's a CVT. A CVT would be stronger,shift faster,not fry clutches,be simpler and easier to repair,
and get the same mileage,while being smoother and having the same six speeds everyone wants. My 07' Outlander
snaps off shifts quicker than one could with a manual,and quite firmly. It also holds gears to redline,and engine
brakes too. I can only imagine how great an Evo would be with an even more agressive trans. Make no mistake
about it,CVTs are used in some earth movers and tractors,they aren't weak like the myth another poster mentioned.
An Evo with a tight CVT would launch hard consistently over and over without the need to wait for the clutch to
cool.

But it's not going to be a CVT. Mitsubishi stated with their press release that the car is going to have an automated
MANUAL,like the perfomance model of notable brands.

So what notable performance model has a CVT?

Not only that,Mitsuibishi engineers on the Evo X when being interviewed about the new Evo took the editor outside
and pointed to a DSG equipped GTi. They said,pretty cool trans huh? Now why would they do that when they already
make several cars with CVTs?

Also the the Evo test car was spied at the testing grounds for a DSG manufacturer. Coincidence? Someone also posted the myth that DSG is slower than a manual. Not true. A DSG GTi was compared to a self-shifter GTi and beat it down the track.

I WANT a CVT in my Evo. I want speed,reliability,strength,consistency and comfort in cruising. The newest iteration
of BMWs SMG cars is still a herky-jerky driving experience in auto mode. Roundel mag (BMWCCA mag) reported that
the clutch was chattering on the M6 convertible they drove when it was in traffic. BMWs been at that for at least 7 years
now.

And by the way-where are all these mags at that say it's getting a CVT? Where in the Lancerproject video did he mention
that it's a CVT. You'd have to ignore their obvious statements that it's a true manual transmission that self-shifts in auto
mode and misconstrue others at best. There's too many different sources stating the same thing.

Just trying to stop the hysteria. Dang,3 pages and two different threads based on one person's hype over nothing. I wish this thread was ignored and now sitting back 10 pages. He's the expert on his own made up theory.

 

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I don't think you're dumb enough not to piece my post together, but for arguments sake my title says AMT speculation, which means speculation on the type of AMT that mitsu is gonna put in the Evo X. Not speculation on what gearbox is going in the car.

The lancerproject mitsu spokesman at the Detroit show has already said it will be a motorized single clutch, in other words not a twin wet clutch like the DSG. So any DSG-type transmission is ruled out. Watch the video again if you missed that part.

The Evo X will have an Automated Manual Transmission - let me spell that out for you: A SINGLE DRY CLUTCH MANUAL CONTROLLED BY MOTORS.

 

... as an option. I'm actually quite happy if this turns out to be true.

Where exactly was the Evo spotted? at Borg Warner?

 

Hey FLK,where's the part of the video where he actually says SINGLE CLUTCH?

Just watched it again to give you the benefit of the doubt but came up empty again.

He said it's going to have AN AMT, and if you read Mitsu's press release regarding the Evo they are using it as a non-specific term,because they said that top level performance car's have it too. An Automated Manual Transmission. I think you are really reaching by going directly to a Smart car or a Colt.

But most importantly mark the time in the video where they say SINGLE CLUTCH. I'll look forward to that,because I specifically heard him say AMT. And when Mitsu uses that term,it's generic. Automated Manual Transmission. I'll be happy to quote it word for word again for you. They want to make certain that people understand it's not a glorified automatic. And it's funny because you seemed to inspire another terror-filled CVT thread in this forum.

And thanks for your faith in my intelligence,really dude impressing you is most important. I dont think you are an attention ***** with your facts here either. Stick to the topic chief. If you post something up as fact dont attack anyone that asks you to substantiate it. Act like a man.

I dont have a problem with you, I have a problem with the alarmist attitude you have,and how you act like you know more than anyone else on the internet,because you are the only one on the internet that google turns up with the garbage "OMG THE NEW EVO TRANS IS STUPID LIKE THE COLT I DROVE" conspiracy theory. Seriously-why do you think you are the only one that's come up with this theory?

Yep,at Borg-Warner's proving grounds. Borg Warner makes the DSG for VW/Audi. Mitsubishi engineers were evaluating a GTi for that very trans.


"Soon Volkswagen won't be the only automaker with a dual-clutch transmission on the market. Word from British auto mag CAR is that Mitsubishi will fit its upcoming EVO X super sedan with a similar six-speed transmission that employs two clutches. "

EVO X to get double-clutch gearbox
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/08/23/e...lutch-gearbox/

Lancer EVO X with a dual-clutch six-speed and new all-wheel drive system will be one for the books.
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/10/03/s...-lancer-evo-x/

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...hi_prototype_x

 

All I can tell is that Mits probably isnt gonna put too much money into the tranny, so they can put investments into other parts of the car.. After all, they can't let the pricetag go too high..

 

Yeah Im concerned about that too.

With Evo IX MRs stickering at 37k we are already close to 40k for the top-line Evo. The new M3 is expected to be ~50k. So you're right.Mitsu's going to have to hold the line,because as nice as it is I think it would be a poor marketing move to price it within a few thousand of an M car.

Im guessing the cars will only be a few thousand more,for the reason you mentioned,plus it seems to be where the Lancer lineup is for 08s.

 

I disagree, I think that is not likely to take chances on their flagship sports car. If anything, the tranny will be as strong as the manual or at least strong enough to handle the rated hp and torque of the new EVO. Personally, I can't wait to get a new EVO X with the auto/manual transmission. I think the car will rock! After driving an AUDI A3 with DSG, I almost traded in my EVO... Fortunately, I did not do it. I also drove the 335i with the Steptronic transmission and I was very impressed. Unless makes some kind of horrible mistake, the new automatic/manual transmission will definitely be the way to go!

 

^^ Props.. I agree totally.. But this thing better not be more that let's say, $43K.. I'll be having a stiff time convincing my pocketbook of such.. That wont leave me any room for R/D.. Powa, need mor powa...

 

LOL, I don't care about more power... When you drive as badly as I do (at least drag racing), The A/T will be worth more that a 40whp increase.... Hell, I miss shifts or shift poorly so that my times are probably .5~1 second off where they could be, besides, it's supposed to come out with over 300 hp... I think $40K or thereabouts for a car fully equipped is probably a good deal. Those pictures I saw of the EVO X concept show everything including cruise control. An EVO with all the niceties would be a very nice car to own. Think Supra, Skyline, etc.

 

I'm all for a twin clutch system in the Evo, in fact all my posts in the last year were on the subject. But piecing the clues together with a bit of my own common sense after the detroit show gave me doubt that the Evo will have the relatively expensive tranny.

The lancerproject guy said it will have the Mitsubishi AMT (this is fact we both agree on), and in mitsu's website here it explains in principle what the AMT is: an Automated, Manual 6speed with a single dry clutch. It's right there on Mitsu's own website.

By the way Mitsu would have stamped it as a "MDG" or whatever instead of AMT to distance its halo car from a Colt. You cannot have one trademark mean two different things.

Personally I don't see how you keep getting a DSG out of an AMT, unless you're desperately hoping the Evo X will have a DSG type of box and you need some affirmation.

 

I don't want to argue just for the sake of taking the oposing side, but I think that the EVO X is not likely to share a transmission with the Colt.... I could not find tech details of the colt, but just from looking it would seem that the colt and the EVO are so vastly different that they could not possibly share the transmission. It seems that the engine of the EVO would be several times more powerful than the Colt. Dont you think?

 

I agree with you, the next gen AMT is sure to be an improvement and built to Evo spec, but the mechanism would stay the same. Sort of like when mitsubishi's INVECS tiptronic was improved upon over the years and became known as INVECS II and III.