Well, that's OK by me as long as the execution of the device is done properly. Like I said earlier, I was blown away by the performance of the A/T in the 335i. I was surprised to hear it had a torque converter and was nothing like the DSG. Still, it shifted with authority, very crisply with no "slush box" feel at all. It even blipped the throttle while down shifting. I did not get a complete feel of the paddle shifters, but it seemed that using the shift lever produced very good shifting action although I don't care for the ergonomics of shifting with the standard A/T shift lever in any car I've ever driven. I vastly prefer the paddle shifters but only with a tranny with the feel of the DSG. I hope makes a transmission worthy of the EVO. If they don't, I'll not purchase their car. If they do make a good A/T for the EVO, I'll be in line to purchase one

 

I think I will be getting the Lexus IS-F. Want something with a nice inside for a change

 

What is the Laxus IS-F? I test drove the IS250 and I was underwhelmed by it. It's a beautiful car, very comfy, nice power and all, but nothing like the feel of a real sports car like the EVO or even a WRX....

 

http://www.caranddriver.com/autoshow...exus-is-f.html

5.0L V8 - 425 hp and 8 speed auto, should be a bad a$$ car.

 

I thought what F1 banned was automatic shifting. Wasn't it 2003 or 2004 when the cars enters into a turn they just select a button and it'll change gear for them.

For example: At the end of the straight away going 200+mph in 7th gear, entering into a hair pin turn that requires the car to be in 2nd gear. All the driver has to do is press the 2nd gear button and it'll down shift automatically including engine brake and etc... Thats why you see the drivers pushing buttons with their thumb when entering a turn. Then in rule changed so that they have to bring back paddle shifting.

I thought seamless shifting is to eliminate the time lag in between shifting, and I thought that F1 cars doesn't have clutch.

Well I can be wrong. I'm just a F1 fan, not an F1 expert.

 

No manual for the Evo X?? I thought that was just a rumor.

 

Hey guys.. I just received my Car & Driver in the mail.. It's got a little blip on the Evo X..

Basically says that the body and stuff are the final product.. (No kidding)

Goes on to say that the EVO will be here in the spring of '08, as a 2009 model..

Then it states that it will come with a "DUAL-CLUTCH six speed transmission, similar to the quick shifting DSG found in select Audi's and Vee-Dubs, is rumored to be in the works."

Then it goes on about the all-wheel-drive system that we all know about..

Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel??!

 

Act like a man.


damn

 

FLK,please read this carefully. Specifically regarding you saying that AMT is a trademark:

This is a direct quote from a press release at the Tokyo Show. Do you see that Mitsu tells you that it's a term,followed by the definition in parentheses? This is simple grammar,where someone tells you something,then gives you more detail in case you didnt know.

Second of all,do you see how this quote also refers to TWO distinctly different transmissions,one being a CVT and the other being an automated manual?

Here's another quote,directly from MMA:
Do you see how they say it's an auto manual,and then say it's similar to those used in other notable performance models?

If Mitsu says it's a manual,and it's similar to the world's most notable performance models,which most notable auto-shifting manuals could we compare it to?

BMW M3 SMG,Ferrari SMG?

or a Colt and a Smart?

Im not being sarcastic,this is simply my line of reasoning.

Also-the Evo prototype was seen testing at Ford's proving ground in Germany. It was largely assumed to be testing a DSG box because Ford works with Borg Warner on drivetrains.Today while finding the above quote,I also found this:

http://paultan.org/archives/2006/11/...velop-own-dsg/
So Ford and Volvo are working on a dual-clutch box,and the new Evo was seen testing at Ford,in Europe.

Finally,Wikipedia has a dual-clutch page. Mitsubishi is listed there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin-clutch_Gearbox

Edmunds quotes the AMT thing again here:
So when they say AMT (automatic/manual transmission),they are telling you that AMT is simply a term,like wheel,or antennae,then telling you what the term stands for-it's an acronym.

Im not saying I KNOW that it's going to be a DSG. Im disagreeing with you that AMT is a patented mitsubishi garbage transmission like the SMART and Colt,and that is what we are getting.

No one knows what the Evo's getting for sure. Not even you. I dont think you have enough concrete evidence to back up your concern that it's
A: Going to be a single-clutch
B: Going to be a poor driving experience like the Colt.

Maybe you'll be right in the future,I just THINK right now all the conjecture is heavily weighted towards a dual-clutch.

 

http://www.ricardo.com/download/pdf/...sions_News.pdf

Sorry,forgot to add this. Download this PDF from Ricardo transmissions. For those that dont know Ricardo,they produce gearboxes for exotics.

In their press release,you will find huge numbers of AMT references. This further shows that it's not a Mitsubishi trademark,or it couldnt be used by other comapanies in their trade publication.

Regardless,note that Ricardo is a leading transmission builder for exotic sportscars,and see what their take is on the term AMT.

Another,regarding the new V10 M5:
OK,with that,can we all agree if Mitsubishi reps use the word "AMT",we dont have to run around worried that the transmission is going to suck? It doesnt mean that if we hear the acronym AMT,we can automatically make the jump to the Colt and SMART driving experience?

The transmission may be fantastic or it may not be,but hearing AMT isnt cause for alarm.

 

Ha! this is my first post. I came to this site after seeing the NAIAS Prototype X concept on Autoblog (did a evolution forum google). In the past I have been interested in the STi and the EVO, but decided to wait for the next generation....

That being said, I am really interested in an automatic manual transmission. My wife had her supercrew F150 stolen last summer, and she drove approximately 15 vehicles before settling on the Audi A3. When she came home and told me about the Audi, I was a bit incredulous. Then I drove it. The DSG transmission made me a believer.

Look, the Evo for me (and MOST people) will be a daily driver, for people who drive spirited occaisonally, and enjoy a performance car. Sure, a manual will be better on the track (road race) but 99.7% of all driving by all evo owners is on the street. I personally cant wait to take home an Evo X with an AMT.

Oh, and before everyone pounces, I love to drive. My current ride (which will be stabled and furhter turned into a track beast when I get the next gen evo or sti) is a 525HP 06 mustang. And yes, it is a manual.

 

nice car dude definaltey a keeper.

 

i hope the AMT can take some abuse and could be upgarded to hold more torque, if this will be true forget about the 100yr old design manual

 

People asked for proof about my statement that VW does not tune the DSG and Manual equally. I FINALLY found the quote, sorry it took a while...

This is from VW's own German website from this link:

http://www.volkswagen-media-services...tlichkeit.html

"Die identisch motorisierten Touran mit Direktschaltgetriebe über*treffen die Beschleunigungswerte der Handschalter um bis zu 0,3 Sekunden. Identisch ist dagegen mit 177 km/h (Touran 1,9 TDI) und 197 km/h (Touran 2.0 TDI) die Höchstgeschwindigkeit. Für die besseren Werte ist jedoch die Tatsache verantwortlich, dass die DSG-Modelle aufgrund einer modifizierten Motorabstimmung drei bzw. vier kW mehr Leistung entwickeln."

Allow me to translate:

The identically motor equipped Touran with DSG beats the acceleration numbers of the manual version by up to 0.3 seconds. The top speed of the 1.9TDI (177 km/h) and the 2.0TDI (197km/h) are identical. Responsible for the difference however is THE FACT THAT THE DSG MODELS (note it says models, not model!) PRODUCE 3-4 MORE KW OF POWER DUE TO MODIFIED ENGINE TUNING.

I'm not sure how much clearer that can be. They specifically say models and FACT.

 

Yeah Motor Trend says the same thing!!
They say it will have a Dual Clutch gear box. They actually go on to say that it's based off of the Audi/VW DSG, but Mitsubishi doesn't want that to be known because they want it to be thought of as their own technology. Whatever it is, we're still gonna have to wait and see what it rides like.