The car will get an after market, but it probably won't be as big as the current gen. I mean there are many cars that have the 4G63 platform the EVO, Dodge Colt, Lasers,Starion,Talon,90-99 Eclipses,Galant VR4's. It'll probably take awhile until we see some high horsepower engines. But the only downfall I see is the curb weight going up to 3500 lbs while the STI will be losing weight. Around 200 lbs or so. I am looking forward more towards the new sti more than the Evo.

 

Point proven. Read the whole damn thread.

 

I disagree. It's the latest Evo; if an aftermarket company won't jump on it, someone else will. They have so much invested in modding the current generation Evos, all the marketing channels set up, reputations built, techincal know how, development staff and new fresh market, why would they just stop at the X?

"This is the best Evo ever, but it's too hard so I'll just stop here."

Yeah right.

 

I was planing to delurk with a post about my opinion on the X vs. the VIII and IX, but I'm back on the fence about what I plan to get in the near future.

But there are some points to highlight in this thread. EVOgasmIX has it right.

I used to own a 1998 TransAm. First year of the LS1 in the F-body, only second year of that alum. block. First thing, I cant' think of any alum blocks that are NOT sleeved. I'm pretty sure even forged aluminum is too soft to be left bare in the cyl. But that doesn't mean it's weak. LS1s have made some stunning power; in 1999 there was an LS1 making well over 500hp normally aspirated, WELL before the LS7s. And now the LS7s are making 550+ hp off the lot. Hell, aluminum is what's keeping your car off the ground. Think about how much abuse your rims take. There was a point in time when aluminum rims would have been unheard of.

The *ONLY* time when you'll find failues due to materials, is when the engineers don't take the materials into account.

The EVO aftermarket is salivating over the X. You can bet on it. Reputations will be made. The first tuner to make big power with the X will have bragging rights. And in the tuner market, bragging rights = $$. I still remember Tom Byrne Motorsports, first tuner to 11sec with the 4th gen F-body. I don't think I ever heard which was the 2nd tuner.

Not only will tuners be looking to be the fastest first, but there are all the established ones who will not let their current reputations fail. Don't worry, the X will not be ignored.

 

booooooo. that's what this "tunner" thinks

 

very informative insight from a big tuner, thanks for the input.

 

This was interesting reading

 

what makes a bunch of guys think they know more then the engineers at mitsubishi? Already Mitsubishi sales have gone up 19% over last years just cause of the GTS. Hell where i live they cant keep them on the lot and if there is one it has a sold sign in it so please explain that if the GTS does a 19% climb that the EVO X wont have as much after market support now that its also going to be sold in Canada. This was Mitsubishi's big break. Do you actually think they didn't think about all this beforehand? Surprising but true some of the people that designed these cars from the ground up just maybe... maybe be smarter then you die hard X haters

 

ok, i have pretty much never posed here, as i do more reading and parts hunting that anything, but i would like to say this:

some of you have figured out that there is no true way to tell what the outcome will truly be until it actually happens. everyone has a right to be skeptical, but to 'dis the particulars of something that is, at this point a secret, is just silly. opinions on the looks make sense, you can see them. aftermarket support? well, it has to come to market first, right?

AL blocks??? good! save for one thing....as far as i have seen, they are open deck to this point. thats not condusive to big power....granted i have heard rumours of a closed deck design for the Evo, but those are just rumours. Sleeves you say? that is pretty much a given, as it is quite difficult to keep cylinder temps below those that can ruin al walls. I can't think of an AL motor that dosen't have them.
as for the open/closed deck, there would be a simple solution to that if it were open deck....buy a deck plate. honda had been doing it for an eternity...

 

Right, because Mitsubishi has a long track record of "improving" successful vehicles over the years, right? What makes it so difficult for you people to understand, Mitsubishi and most other companies ARE IN IT TO MAKE MONEY, and to SAVE COST. Which is why the 4B11 was made. It wasnt designed solely by Mitsubishi to be powerfull, or to go racing, it was a change made by corporate suits from Hyundai, Chrysler and Mitsu to SAVE COST, and have an engine that passes emissions easier.

Will there be an aftermarket for it? Sure. Does that mean a god damn thing in terms of how great the vehicle is, or how it performs in comparison to the previous model/engine? None whatsoever. People arent hating just to hate, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out, people. For years, Mitsubishi has been taking excellent cars they have created, and instead of improving them, they steadily make them worst in terms of performance, untill the vehicle is no longer recognizable from the origional model it had replaced. Case and point: the Eclipse.

Mitsubishi dosn't care about if you turn the boost up on the new motor, and it blows up making 50hp more than it did when it left the showroom floor. They don't care if you have to put another $3,500 into machine work/parts into the bottom end to make it half as strong as the 4G63 was. They just want to make these engines cheap to manufacture, so they can make more money. Which is why the new Evo rides on the same platform as the DODGE CALIBER.

 

Heres two questions.

First off, how many people who buy the Evo go for "big power." Im talking horsepower numbers that would cause these supposed issues with an all aluminum block. (I understand the design process with proper materials, Im taking off my engineering hat to allow me to ASSUME the 4B11 wont support big boost and power) Im going to guess less than 30% of Evo owners go past basic bolt ons and tunes.

Second, to those who are complaining about how the car will be difficult to work on. I have seen the majority of people on this board just turn their car over to a shop for major work, so what does it matter to them if things arent as easy? You are not the ones working on the current car in the first place.

Threads like these make me laugh. Im sure Ill laugh even more in 5 years when everyone will accept the new gen Evo is better than the VII/VIII/IX and be making lame comments like Evo X FTW and so on.

Everyone fears change until change blows your doors off on the street or at the track.

 

Well said.

Riiiiiight. So coming up with previously-unheard of electronic wizardry with every iteration (AYC, S-AYC, S-AWC) is cheaping out. Being the first Japanese production car to offer a true twin-clutch DSG is cheaping out.

Yuure rely smurt.

 

Am I the only one who would do little to no mods on the engine & be satisfied with a car that can utilize 300+ HP to achieve mid 4 second territory just by paddle shifting stock?

*Hears crickets chirping away for a response and walks away slowly*

 

I'd be happy with that until a) I get a good feel for the car (I'm new to paddles) and b) the aftermarket tuners get their act together and can safely and reliably tune these cars (give it two years after model release).

I'm mostly into circuit trackdays nowadays - stock car should be fine for that, except for semi-slicks. Maybe suspension.

 

Im with you. I plan on doing very little if any mods to the car. I am opting for the EVO as it is already a potent car in stock form which I will hopefully be staisfied with and discourage me from modding. Because as this will be my only car and 5 days a week it needs to ferry me to work, i also need a reasonable level of reliablity. And it is my expereince the more you tinker with a car, the more the reliability goes down.