said like a true pro. FINALLY someone with some sense, of the 1000's of idiots here who are fortunate enough to buy an evo, so they think that gives them a licence to fill the forums with junk.

 

Don't buy into the hype that the cars the journalists drove were "prototypes"...because they most likely are not. I've worked in the auto industry for 10 years. There are typically four stages to production of a car.

1) hand-built prototypes...these are usually only used for engineers to drive and dial in suspension, steering, engine, trans, etc.
2) Pre-Production 1 units (PP1)...these are the first batch of cars to be built on the assembly line. Usually used to check fit and finish of all the parts. Also to check for issues and problems with major components.
3) Pre-Production 2 units (PP2)...these are the second batch of cars built on the assembly line. These are as close to saleable production cars as you can get. These are just about perfect and are used for minor tweaks. These are the cars you see at autoshows and are used in the companies press fleet. This is most likely what all these journalists have driven.
4) Only thing left is full production of vehicles for sales to the public.

If they are having major component issues at the PP2 stage (the transmission overheating in this case) that's a big deal. At this point they can do one of two things. One, they could just launch the car and hope for the best. Two, they could fix the issue before launch and push the launch back. If option two happens, we should expect the car to not arrive in Q1 2008...more like Q2 or Q3. With Mitsu needing this vehicle to be a huge success for them, let's hope they choose the right option...I think we all know which one that is...

 

a little off topic but in general how many hand built protoypes are usually built?
do they send the protypes for emission testing or pre-production models

 

I own a Mazda RX8 , The power figures have been total BS from the beginning , in fact Mazda had to buy back some of the cars in the US that owners werent happy with because of the false power figures mate dont tell me that Japanese as well as other car manufacturers dont feed the buying public total BS .

Dual clucth gearboxes are being worked and are to be released by both BMW and Porsche soon , so i was very suprised that a company thats in financial difficulties claims a bullet proof system in the TC SST before both BMW and Porsche .

Cheers
Michael

 

Umm mazda is owned by Ford buddy. Also mitsubishi doesn't just sell cars so no they arn't going broke their sales might not be doing great in automotive industry but they are doing just fine as a whole company. Also mitsu started making profit again this year.

 

Ford does not Own Mazda, they have interest in the company via stock.

 

http://www.ford.com/about-ford/compa...le-brands#tab1
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...apan-Mazda.php
Ford owns 33.9% of Mazda. That is more than enough to say they have something to do with the car manufacturing.

 

^ wow, maybe thats why all their cars suck....I'm being sarcastic, but their cars do suck...

 

Guess you never owned a mitsubishi then..

Here's a rundown of only the evolution models where they had problems with the 1st batch .. Evo 1 series chassis issues
1st batch .. evo 4 series oil issues
1st batch .. evo 9 series turbo issues

So don't hold your breath for the SST .. 1st batch ..

This is worse as its an entirely different chassis CZ4A and engine 4B11T

 

That might be a problem let's hope they can fix it through warranty if anything happens.

 

You guess wrong. And your post is wrong. It has nothing to do within the context of smearing the SST with distorted hearsay that I was replying to, even if your info is correct.

 

My post is up to you to decipher.. It has everything to do with SST .. nothing to smear it ..

My experiences with Evos since they started has already shown what I said is true .. probably more than what I can say about you .. since you guys don't even get anything before the Evo 8s .. oh yes .. you probably don't drive one too .. but then thats a jab in the dark ..

I wonder which part of recalled before sales do you not understand .. though for what purpose I do not know .. maybe nothing .. maybe major redesign who knows ..

I know for sure we already have the X 5 spds only.. on the roads .. and my order of the SST (showroom car) has been delayed indefinitely due to the recall from showrooms ..

Don't be such a stiff .. I'm waiting with anticipation as much as you .. but I'll wait to get my own SST when its really out and proven .. We use the Evos for what they are meant to .. so its very hard on the transmissions..

 

I believe that there will be bugs to work out in ALL the NEW components....c'mon, Rome wasn't built in a day, was it? but lets hope they might have gotten rid of most of them and made a spot-on car

 

The number depends on the manufacturer and the particular car. Sometimes it's a handful of prototypes...sometimes it's 50. Emissions testing is usually done and determined before they build the prototypes (you can test emissions with an engine, tranny and exhaust without a body or frame)

 

The way you keep bringing that up is just weak. I have absolutely nothing to prove to you or the internet. The elitist attitudes paraded around by some current Evo owners to Evo hopefuls is just childish.