maybe nobody knows anything about audi and their TDI F1 car that is fast as hell... i dont understand why everyone doesn't like this diesel idea its been proven that diesel in racing works very well

 

You mean Adui LMP1 Car, they aren't in F1, but the TDI in the LMP1 are fast and is very competitive, same with the WTCC SEAT diesel car, issue with releasing a diesel in the US is that the market is small if it in a passenger car.

 

This has been discussed extensively in this thread: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/fu...nfirmed-5.html

And, as Kurz said, Audi used a TDi diesel in LeMans/ALMS. Audi is not in F1. F1 uses a 2.4 liter V8. They will go with a 1.6 liter V6 turbo in 2014. F1 uses gasoline, not diesel. BTW, both Audi and Peugeot will be using diesel/hybrids in 2012 for LeMans and the World Endurance Championship.

Diesels can make good power as used in racing. With an electric motor, they can produce a lot of torque and of course, efficiency will be better than gas. However, the thrill of a gas engine revving and making stupid power will be gone forever.

 

As far as rally goes I cannot comment since I do not follow it very closely even though I find it extremely entertaining to watch but as far as auto x and road racing I completely disagree. Maybe stock to stock the X's drivers aids help push it a little in front, but a modified 8-9 will always be faster based on weight. Sure you can drop the weight but you can do the same with a 8 or a 9 and the X will always weigh 3-400 LBS more. If the X is better then why are teams like Sierra Sierra, or HKS/Cyber Evo using a X as a platform?

 

It skiped hp n went to torque?

 

Agreed. I have a 2011 GSR, but truth be told, if I could have bought a new IX, I would have done so. The VIII/IX platform is much smaller, lighter and the 4G63 can outperform the 4B11T. When stripped of weight, the earlier Evo will outperform an X.

The X does seem to be a very good platform for rallying. And, it is more refinded than the IX. Sadly, the X, like many other cars, is part of the ever growing platform sizes that permeates the car industry. Bigger, heavier and more luxurious is the mantra. Raw, small and lightweight platforms seem to be anathema to everyone, even Lotus.

 

Sad but true, I could accept the X gaining a little weight (we all do when we get older) but this is ridiculous. I'm probably just ranting at this point and I know nothing I say will change the fact that this is happening by with all the improvements in carbon fiber technology why not make a super light weight carbon shell that could be used by a variety of vehicles/makes to (save cost) and just build the 2.0 Turbo motor to be slightly more gas efficient yet still retain the ability to be modded and be a ***** out beast. I just think there could be a better way and I am saddened that the engineers at Mitsubishi could not come up with something more true to what the evo is, a constantly evolving and improving sports/race car for the average Joe who wants to pick on cars 3 times its price range.

 

^ Lightweight used to be almost a religion at Lotus, especially during the days of Colin Chapman. Now, with Danny Bahar, future Lotuses with get bigger and heavier. Ironically, I just read on Autoblog that Chrysler is looking to downsize the Challenger because the current car is too big in comparison to the Mustang and Camaro. So, expect a smaller, lighter Challenger, still with muscle, to battle its competition. I just cannot understand for the life of me why Mitsubishi wants to keep making the Lancer bigger and heavier. It was quite a jump in size and weight from the IX to X platform. Now the XI will have more girth and avoirdupois.

 

Ugh. Looks like a Miata mated with an Eclipse, and wtf is up with the doors?

 

This is what i though when i saw that.

 

diesel + electric = bad for drag racing

 

Wow.. that looks pretty sweet.. + AWD. Its gonno give Hyundai Genesis, Toyota GT86 and Subaru FRZ (or whatever) a run for their money, given the fact that this retails at a reasonable price.

Ohh Please take off those doors and throw them down a cliff and shoot a RPG at em while in mid flight.

 

Wrong

The combination of electric and diesel means extremely good low end torque and acceleration and depending on how they built it, it has the potential to be a better performer than the EVOs past.

I hate when people just pull crap out of their ***.

As for someone saying a 50k price tag, that's probably not far from the truth.

 

As soon as they incorporate the electric drive you can say goodbye to the manual trans.

 

There is such a thing as having too much torque and not enough top end power, torque gets you off the line hp keeps you going, not to mention if this thing comes with 400lbs of torques from the factory and 280 hp (combined diesel and electric motor best possible output IMOP) and weighs 4000 lbs its going to have a really hard time accelerating quickly past 80mph.
Dont even get me started on whats going to happen when people start modding this thing and try to make HP with it but end up with 1000 foot pounds of torque and 400 HP, you will end needing an unobtanium drive train to keep the thing in one piece.
And last but not least not having a Manual is lame as S@#$ for a hardcore sports car that the Evo is supposed to be.