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U did make it up, i never said its ALWAYS better.
And what makes you think that since 2 tuners got it wrong, so will everyone else. what a silly assumption.
You give stig an RS with 60 more whp and the same MR suspension (or aftermarket coilovers), plus take off an extra 60-100 lbs. don’t tell me you actually thing the MR will beat that. pleasseeee... plus, the MR that’s coming here is not the MR320, more like the MR280. u forget that there are a lot of straight ways on tracks, and that extra HP will help and should add further distance in the straight then an MR will on a stock RS in turns (thats if the RS has stock suspension even)
As for the sparco EVO. why are you counting the damn carbon seats, seats belts and steering wheels? i hope you dont actually think those things are making him lap faster. maybe a sparco steering wheel and a few stickers will nock of a few seconds off my lap time
the suspension mods did not cost him $40k, your counting in all the cosmetics when that does not help (except maybe the wing and canards) with lap times or have to do with what we are talking about.
Many of the videos also show under power cars that catch up with better and faster cars due to their lighter weight, i dont see u mentioning that anywhere.
And what makes you think that since 2 tuners got it wrong, so will everyone else. what a silly assumption.
You give stig an RS with 60 more whp and the same MR suspension (or aftermarket coilovers), plus take off an extra 60-100 lbs. don’t tell me you actually thing the MR will beat that. pleasseeee... plus, the MR that’s coming here is not the MR320, more like the MR280. u forget that there are a lot of straight ways on tracks, and that extra HP will help and should add further distance in the straight then an MR will on a stock RS in turns (thats if the RS has stock suspension even)
As for the sparco EVO. why are you counting the damn carbon seats, seats belts and steering wheels? i hope you dont actually think those things are making him lap faster. maybe a sparco steering wheel and a few stickers will nock of a few seconds off my lap time
the suspension mods did not cost him $40k, your counting in all the cosmetics when that does not help (except maybe the wing and canards) with lap times or have to do with what we are talking about.
Many of the videos also show under power cars that catch up with better and faster cars due to their lighter weight, i dont see u mentioning that anywhere.
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One last post, then I will give up.
I am saying if "respectable" tuners like vishnu and RB messed up (there are alot more messed up tuners) what make you think you can do better? Do you mod car for living???? Its not silly assumption. $7k simply can not give you a balance "better" package. Thats why you see Ruf, Koenig, Techart, or amg charge people tens or hundreds of thousands for modded car. On the surface, those modded car looks like rip off, but they give you more than parts, they give you their expertise and know how. I look at modding car like gourmet cooking, you can use "better" or same ingredient as those master chef. But the way they do it is different so the end result is different.
How many times i have to reiterate this point, more power, "better" suspension and lighter package guarantee faster straight line performance, but it doesn't mean faster time around track. Why do you keep mentioning item like aftermarket coil over & over again like its some kinda of "secret weapon from the third reich" thingy.
I say this loud and clear, IF MITSUBISHI BUILT A RS 60 lbs LIGHTER with HIGHPOWER ENGINE and TUNED SUSPENSION. Then it will be better. But i said it million times already, individual like you and me and mickey mouse tuning shop couldn't do it right. We have no technical training. Relatively small custom shop have no money for R&D and no track testing facility to do it right. No matter how bad and cheap you think mitsubishi is, they are still an auto manufacturer. They could and routinely spend millions if not billions in R&D, real track time, wind tunnel testing, lab test, ect. Do you think Vishnu, XS, RS, Works has that kind of money to play with???? Most if not all tuner are small sweat shop trying to make a few bucks. Of course i am comparing them to AMG, ralliart, BMW motorsports division, TRD, etc.....
How come you don't like to read the post? I said modded car is very fast in simple 0-60 or 1/4 miles run routine. Because simply going fast from stand still is relatively easy. Going around fast around track is tricky, because you have handling dynamic, optimal gear ratio, engine power band characteristics, weight distribution, etc... to deal with. So simply more power and lighter won't work.
Just look at motogp races, Ducati has powerful engine with over 240 hp (the most powerful motor among the gp contenders), best suspension, best tires, best wheels, great rider like Caprossi and Bayliss. And the team is funded by MARLBORO which mean unlimited resources like MONEY. but it fail to even complete races half of the time. Its because they couldn't do the chassis tuning right. And they openly admitted it.
What I am saying is you can build your RS lighter and more powerful, but its not guarrantee that it will be faster than stock MR. My bet is it will perform worst. And many many times, modified car performs worst than stock. Making a lighter and more powerful ruined the overall balance of the car.
Lets use weight as the example, taking weight off from different area of the car all means different thing. So 60 lbs off a car from WHERE? You should know they all mean different thing. 1 lbs unsprung weight equal at less 4 lbs sprung weight. How about weight distribution issue, taking off weight from the cockpit or from the trunk?
Now the Sparco car, I count the fancy interior just to show you how detail that car is, they spent tons of money to make it right, so the detail show you they are serious and thorough. But even if we don't count the interior, at least $30k is spend on performance and who knows how many countless time on labor. And again, i say modding car is not worth it and expensive, a couple of seats and seat belts can already cost you $7k. Can we agree on that?
Okay, can you just tell me how much sparco spent on performance only related item on their car? 7k or $37k?
Yes, suspension didn't cost them $40k. But did only the coil over kit that make the car go faster interms of lap time. Obviously not so, its the $40k package that works. Remember the RB evo has the best ohlins kit on there and handle like sh*t.
That is call power to weight ratio. Yes, lighter car with high power can catch up to heavy car with lower power engine in a straight line, but we are not talking about drag racing. So, if my car has P/W ratio of 1 hp to 10 lbs. And your car has 1hp to 9 lbs. Can you guarantee your car will be faster?
I am saying if "respectable" tuners like vishnu and RB messed up (there are alot more messed up tuners) what make you think you can do better? Do you mod car for living???? Its not silly assumption. $7k simply can not give you a balance "better" package. Thats why you see Ruf, Koenig, Techart, or amg charge people tens or hundreds of thousands for modded car. On the surface, those modded car looks like rip off, but they give you more than parts, they give you their expertise and know how. I look at modding car like gourmet cooking, you can use "better" or same ingredient as those master chef. But the way they do it is different so the end result is different.
How many times i have to reiterate this point, more power, "better" suspension and lighter package guarantee faster straight line performance, but it doesn't mean faster time around track. Why do you keep mentioning item like aftermarket coil over & over again like its some kinda of "secret weapon from the third reich" thingy.
I say this loud and clear, IF MITSUBISHI BUILT A RS 60 lbs LIGHTER with HIGHPOWER ENGINE and TUNED SUSPENSION. Then it will be better. But i said it million times already, individual like you and me and mickey mouse tuning shop couldn't do it right. We have no technical training. Relatively small custom shop have no money for R&D and no track testing facility to do it right. No matter how bad and cheap you think mitsubishi is, they are still an auto manufacturer. They could and routinely spend millions if not billions in R&D, real track time, wind tunnel testing, lab test, ect. Do you think Vishnu, XS, RS, Works has that kind of money to play with???? Most if not all tuner are small sweat shop trying to make a few bucks. Of course i am comparing them to AMG, ralliart, BMW motorsports division, TRD, etc.....
How come you don't like to read the post? I said modded car is very fast in simple 0-60 or 1/4 miles run routine. Because simply going fast from stand still is relatively easy. Going around fast around track is tricky, because you have handling dynamic, optimal gear ratio, engine power band characteristics, weight distribution, etc... to deal with. So simply more power and lighter won't work.
Just look at motogp races, Ducati has powerful engine with over 240 hp (the most powerful motor among the gp contenders), best suspension, best tires, best wheels, great rider like Caprossi and Bayliss. And the team is funded by MARLBORO which mean unlimited resources like MONEY. but it fail to even complete races half of the time. Its because they couldn't do the chassis tuning right. And they openly admitted it.
What I am saying is you can build your RS lighter and more powerful, but its not guarrantee that it will be faster than stock MR. My bet is it will perform worst. And many many times, modified car performs worst than stock. Making a lighter and more powerful ruined the overall balance of the car.
Lets use weight as the example, taking weight off from different area of the car all means different thing. So 60 lbs off a car from WHERE? You should know they all mean different thing. 1 lbs unsprung weight equal at less 4 lbs sprung weight. How about weight distribution issue, taking off weight from the cockpit or from the trunk?
Now the Sparco car, I count the fancy interior just to show you how detail that car is, they spent tons of money to make it right, so the detail show you they are serious and thorough. But even if we don't count the interior, at least $30k is spend on performance and who knows how many countless time on labor. And again, i say modding car is not worth it and expensive, a couple of seats and seat belts can already cost you $7k. Can we agree on that?
Okay, can you just tell me how much sparco spent on performance only related item on their car? 7k or $37k?
Yes, suspension didn't cost them $40k. But did only the coil over kit that make the car go faster interms of lap time. Obviously not so, its the $40k package that works. Remember the RB evo has the best ohlins kit on there and handle like sh*t.
That is call power to weight ratio. Yes, lighter car with high power can catch up to heavy car with lower power engine in a straight line, but we are not talking about drag racing. So, if my car has P/W ratio of 1 hp to 10 lbs. And your car has 1hp to 9 lbs. Can you guarantee your car will be faster?
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Originally Posted by chantaiman51
One last post, then I will give up.
I am saying if "respectable" tuners like vishnu and RB messed up (there are alot more messed up tuners) what make you think you can do better? Do you mod car for living???? Its not silly assumption. $7k simply can not give you a balance "better" package. Thats why you see Ruf, Koenig, Techart, or amg charge people tens or hundreds of thousands for modded car. On the surface, those modded car looks like rip off, but they give you more than parts, they give you their expertise and know how. I look at modding car like gourmet cooking, you can use "better" or same ingredient as those master chef. But the way they do it is different so the end result is different.
How many times i have to reiterate this point, more power, "better" suspension and lighter package guarantee faster straight line performance, but it doesn't mean faster time around track. Why do you keep mentioning item like aftermarket coil over & over again like its some kinda of "secret weapon from the third reich" thingy.
I say this loud and clear, IF MITSUBISHI BUILT A RS 60 lbs LIGHTER with HIGHPOWER ENGINE and TUNED SUSPENSION. Then it will be better. But i said it million times already, individual like you and me and mickey mouse tuning shop couldn't do it right. We have no technical training. Relatively small custom shop have no money for R&D and no track testing facility to do it right. No matter how bad and cheap you think mitsubishi is, they are still an auto manufacturer. They could and routinely spend millions if not billions in R&D, real track time, wind tunnel testing, lab test, ect. Do you think Vishnu, XS, RS, Works has that kind of money to play with???? Most if not all tuner are small sweat shop trying to make a few bucks. Of course i am comparing them to AMG, ralliart, BMW motorsports division, TRD, etc.....
How come you don't like to read the post? I said modded car is very fast in simple 0-60 or 1/4 miles run routine. Because simply going fast from stand still is relatively easy. Going around fast around track is tricky, because you have handling dynamic, optimal gear ratio, engine power band characteristics, weight distribution, etc... to deal with. So simply more power and lighter won't work.
Just look at motogp races, Ducati has powerful engine with over 240 hp (the most powerful motor among the gp contenders), best suspension, best tires, best wheels, great rider like Caprossi and Bayliss. And the team is funded by MARLBORO which mean unlimited resources like MONEY. but it fail to even complete races half of the time. Its because they couldn't do the chassis tuning right. And they openly admitted it.
What I am saying is you can build your RS lighter and more powerful, but its not guarrantee that it will be faster than stock MR. My bet is it will perform worst. And many many times, modified car performs worst than stock. Making a lighter and more powerful ruined the overall balance of the car.
Lets use weight as the example, taking weight off from different area of the car all means different thing. So 60 lbs off a car from WHERE? You should know they all mean different thing. 1 lbs unsprung weight equal at less 4 lbs sprung weight. How about weight distribution issue, taking off weight from the cockpit or from the trunk?
Now the Sparco car, I count the fancy interior just to show you how detail that car is, they spent tons of money to make it right, so the detail show you they are serious and thorough. But even if we don't count the interior, at least $30k is spend on performance and who knows how many countless time on labor. And again, i say modding car is not worth it and expensive, a couple of seats and seat belts can already cost you $7k. Can we agree on that?
Okay, can you just tell me how much sparco spent on performance only related item on their car? 7k or $37k?
Yes, suspension didn't cost them $40k. But did only the coil over kit that make the car go faster interms of lap time. Obviously not so, its the $40k package that works. Remember the RB evo has the best ohlins kit on there and handle like sh*t.
That is call power to weight ratio. Yes, lighter car with high power can catch up to heavy car with lower power engine in a straight line, but we are not talking about drag racing. So, if my car has P/W ratio of 1 hp to 10 lbs. And your car has 1hp to 9 lbs. Can you guarantee your car will be faster?
I am saying if "respectable" tuners like vishnu and RB messed up (there are alot more messed up tuners) what make you think you can do better? Do you mod car for living???? Its not silly assumption. $7k simply can not give you a balance "better" package. Thats why you see Ruf, Koenig, Techart, or amg charge people tens or hundreds of thousands for modded car. On the surface, those modded car looks like rip off, but they give you more than parts, they give you their expertise and know how. I look at modding car like gourmet cooking, you can use "better" or same ingredient as those master chef. But the way they do it is different so the end result is different.
How many times i have to reiterate this point, more power, "better" suspension and lighter package guarantee faster straight line performance, but it doesn't mean faster time around track. Why do you keep mentioning item like aftermarket coil over & over again like its some kinda of "secret weapon from the third reich" thingy.
I say this loud and clear, IF MITSUBISHI BUILT A RS 60 lbs LIGHTER with HIGHPOWER ENGINE and TUNED SUSPENSION. Then it will be better. But i said it million times already, individual like you and me and mickey mouse tuning shop couldn't do it right. We have no technical training. Relatively small custom shop have no money for R&D and no track testing facility to do it right. No matter how bad and cheap you think mitsubishi is, they are still an auto manufacturer. They could and routinely spend millions if not billions in R&D, real track time, wind tunnel testing, lab test, ect. Do you think Vishnu, XS, RS, Works has that kind of money to play with???? Most if not all tuner are small sweat shop trying to make a few bucks. Of course i am comparing them to AMG, ralliart, BMW motorsports division, TRD, etc.....
How come you don't like to read the post? I said modded car is very fast in simple 0-60 or 1/4 miles run routine. Because simply going fast from stand still is relatively easy. Going around fast around track is tricky, because you have handling dynamic, optimal gear ratio, engine power band characteristics, weight distribution, etc... to deal with. So simply more power and lighter won't work.
Just look at motogp races, Ducati has powerful engine with over 240 hp (the most powerful motor among the gp contenders), best suspension, best tires, best wheels, great rider like Caprossi and Bayliss. And the team is funded by MARLBORO which mean unlimited resources like MONEY. but it fail to even complete races half of the time. Its because they couldn't do the chassis tuning right. And they openly admitted it.
What I am saying is you can build your RS lighter and more powerful, but its not guarrantee that it will be faster than stock MR. My bet is it will perform worst. And many many times, modified car performs worst than stock. Making a lighter and more powerful ruined the overall balance of the car.
Lets use weight as the example, taking weight off from different area of the car all means different thing. So 60 lbs off a car from WHERE? You should know they all mean different thing. 1 lbs unsprung weight equal at less 4 lbs sprung weight. How about weight distribution issue, taking off weight from the cockpit or from the trunk?
Now the Sparco car, I count the fancy interior just to show you how detail that car is, they spent tons of money to make it right, so the detail show you they are serious and thorough. But even if we don't count the interior, at least $30k is spend on performance and who knows how many countless time on labor. And again, i say modding car is not worth it and expensive, a couple of seats and seat belts can already cost you $7k. Can we agree on that?
Okay, can you just tell me how much sparco spent on performance only related item on their car? 7k or $37k?
Yes, suspension didn't cost them $40k. But did only the coil over kit that make the car go faster interms of lap time. Obviously not so, its the $40k package that works. Remember the RB evo has the best ohlins kit on there and handle like sh*t.
That is call power to weight ratio. Yes, lighter car with high power can catch up to heavy car with lower power engine in a straight line, but we are not talking about drag racing. So, if my car has P/W ratio of 1 hp to 10 lbs. And your car has 1hp to 9 lbs. Can you guarantee your car will be faster?
Dayyyym ...........
that's right - let it all out "C" I know how you feel man.
But hey on the same note - some of the smaller tuners make significant progress and contributions through trial and error. I have the utmost respect for what guys like Shiv and his team have accomplished in no small way. Plus these guys have their fair share of track time too.
Originally Posted by dizzigital
Wait a second. I remember you. I also remember you demanding the retail value for your trade-in. LOL. Didn't you want our car a few grand below invoice to boot? I don't know one businessman in the right state of mind or even in the wrong state of mind who would take that deal. How do you think your parents pay for that roof over your head? -By not doing things as you requested from us.
Originally Posted by dizzigital
You knew what type of vehicle you were getting yourself into, therefore, you should know what to expect as far as the cost for maintenance goes.
The error by the mechanic? Mechanics aren't robots. Mechanics are human beings just like yourself. Just like the professional race car driver that totaled his car during the million dollar race after years of training. When I used to own a Mercedes, I took it into service one day and I get back only to find out my bumper had been pulled off during the parking of my vehicle. I didn't blame them. **** happens, what can ya do. I still took it back to them for every service.
Moving on...
What really "blows", as you stated, are people like yourself whom do not know how to deal with their problems as they arise. In result of this bottled up negativity, you go ahead and take it out on others. Not to mention, your "if one person does it wrong, they all do" mentality is not very healthy. All of this will get you nowhere in life other than the lower tax bracket and into The Stagnant Growth Club.
Good luck, bro.
The error by the mechanic? Mechanics aren't robots. Mechanics are human beings just like yourself. Just like the professional race car driver that totaled his car during the million dollar race after years of training. When I used to own a Mercedes, I took it into service one day and I get back only to find out my bumper had been pulled off during the parking of my vehicle. I didn't blame them. **** happens, what can ya do. I still took it back to them for every service.
Moving on...
What really "blows", as you stated, are people like yourself whom do not know how to deal with their problems as they arise. In result of this bottled up negativity, you go ahead and take it out on others. Not to mention, your "if one person does it wrong, they all do" mentality is not very healthy. All of this will get you nowhere in life other than the lower tax bracket and into The Stagnant Growth Club.
Good luck, bro.
What you said to me proves my point EXACTLY, stay the f**k away from Santa Monica Mitsubishi. Based on what you said, I think anyone can see what kind of people are working there.
P.S. It does NOT take a robot to tighten a lug nut, but maybe at your dealership it does. And I make 102k/year, so I think I'm safe from the "The Stagnant Growth Club". God I hate you people!
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Originally Posted by salukidude
First off, you are thinking of someone else. I didn't demand retail for my trade in, you people didn't even offer me a trade in. You gave me ZERO dollars for my old car. KBB listed it around $2500 or so (trade in, not outright). You people gave me zilch. The deal only went through because I wanted an Evo like no tommorow, and was so exhausted from being hassled by your sales people for 4 hours straight. You're going to try and tell me I demanded less than invoice?! It took me two hours just to get you off of the $15k markup you had on the car. By the time it was all done, I paid nearly $36k. With that being said, all of that was my fault for not doing better research and for not having a different frame of mind when I came in there.
Now you've crossed the line ahole. My ****ing right front wheel almost came off taking a freeway onramp, doing about 70 mph. Do you realize what could of happened to me or anyone around me had that wheel came off? I'm not talking about your fricking bumper coming off. What happened to me could have killed me. And as I said your service department not only refused to pay for any of the damage that did (to the studs and scratches on the Enkei and Brembo), but they didn't even show any remorse and blamed me for it!
What you said to me proves my point EXACTLY, stay the f**k away from Santa Monica Mitsubishi. Based on what you said, I think anyone can see what kind of people are working there.
P.S. It does NOT take a robot to tighten a lug nut, but maybe at your dealership it does. And I make 102k/year, so I think I'm safe from the "The Stagnant Growth Club". God I hate you people!
Now you've crossed the line ahole. My ****ing right front wheel almost came off taking a freeway onramp, doing about 70 mph. Do you realize what could of happened to me or anyone around me had that wheel came off? I'm not talking about your fricking bumper coming off. What happened to me could have killed me. And as I said your service department not only refused to pay for any of the damage that did (to the studs and scratches on the Enkei and Brembo), but they didn't even show any remorse and blamed me for it!
What you said to me proves my point EXACTLY, stay the f**k away from Santa Monica Mitsubishi. Based on what you said, I think anyone can see what kind of people are working there.
P.S. It does NOT take a robot to tighten a lug nut, but maybe at your dealership it does. And I make 102k/year, so I think I'm safe from the "The Stagnant Growth Club". God I hate you people!
I know this is the same Service Department issue, though. The mechanic whom worked on your vehicle was relieved of his duties not too long ago. This was a big issue in the Service Department soon after your incident occurred. This wasn't the only mistake either. Check this out, somebody's ABS light was on and this fool goes ahead and orders a new alternator. He may have had a good resume, but his skills were far from good.
Again, I apologize, for I intertwined the stories. They were told to me back to back so I thought they were the same person.
Next time, at any dealership, laugh at the mark-up price and start negotiating from the MSRP.
I'm sorry you had to have such a bad experience at my dealership. Everyone will have an experience like that at one time or another, no matter where you go.
Don't feel too bad, I paid close to 32 OTD and I work there.
If you have to service your car again or need some help talkin' to the service guys, come in and ask for me. I'll make sure one of the EVO veteran's work on your car and I'll even get you a discount.
Sorry about all this.
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Why dont you give him a credit in you service dept for the damages that your employee caused.After all, it is your resposibility as a manager to watch over your employees .Also its great that he was relieved of his duties.But take care your customer also
Originally Posted by dizzigital
Wow, I apologize. Your story sounded identical to one of another customer as far as the Sales Department went. A car that books for $2,500 is generally worth anywhere from $0-$500 to any dealer. They have to invest money themselves, by law, before they can sell it on the lot or off to a wholesaler. So don't feel too bad about the trade-in thing.
I know this is the same Service Department issue, though. The mechanic whom worked on your vehicle was relieved of his duties not too long ago. This was a big issue in the Service Department soon after your incident occurred. This wasn't the only mistake either. Check this out, somebody's ABS light was on and this fool goes ahead and orders a new alternator. He may have had a good resume, but his skills were far from good.
Again, I apologize, for I intertwined the stories. They were told to me back to back so I thought they were the same person.
Next time, at any dealership, laugh at the mark-up price and start negotiating from the MSRP.
I'm sorry you had to have such a bad experience at my dealership. Everyone will have an experience like that at one time or another, no matter where you go.
Don't feel too bad, I paid close to 32 OTD and I work there.
If you have to service your car again or need some help talkin' to the service guys, come in and ask for me. I'll make sure one of the EVO veteran's work on your car and I'll even get you a discount.
Sorry about all this.
Robert Evans
Internet Manager
Santa Monica Mitsubishi
I know this is the same Service Department issue, though. The mechanic whom worked on your vehicle was relieved of his duties not too long ago. This was a big issue in the Service Department soon after your incident occurred. This wasn't the only mistake either. Check this out, somebody's ABS light was on and this fool goes ahead and orders a new alternator. He may have had a good resume, but his skills were far from good.
Again, I apologize, for I intertwined the stories. They were told to me back to back so I thought they were the same person.
Next time, at any dealership, laugh at the mark-up price and start negotiating from the MSRP.
I'm sorry you had to have such a bad experience at my dealership. Everyone will have an experience like that at one time or another, no matter where you go.
Don't feel too bad, I paid close to 32 OTD and I work there.
If you have to service your car again or need some help talkin' to the service guys, come in and ask for me. I'll make sure one of the EVO veteran's work on your car and I'll even get you a discount.
Sorry about all this.
Robert Evans
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Originally Posted by arslanh
RS ALL THE WAY... FOR PURE TRUE RALLY MEN
MR, GSR, etc.. for all you whimps
MR, GSR, etc.. for all you whimps
Originally Posted by ezpass
Why dont you give him a credit in you service dept for the damages that your employee caused.After all, it is your resposibility as a manager to watch over your employees .Also its great that he was relieved of his duties.But take care your customer also
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Originally Posted by Cannonballer
Yup.
For anyone interested in a 2005 EVO MR, I will be receiving a total of 16 of all colors. The first week of October I will have 7 on the lot, following up with 9 more in the third week of October. Contact me for the best price in town.
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Originally Posted by dizzigital
Contact me for the best price in town.
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Originally Posted by Tanner_Hall
^^^dizzigital, i'm not sure how you act off-line, but from your posts, you sound like a real a$$. frankly, i'm amazed you sell any cars at all. 
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Originally Posted by chantaiman51
I still don't understand this, you said you would charge customer "a small" markup. But the majority of us already ordered our MR @ msrp. So why they hell prospective buyer wants to contact you for the best inflated price in town?????