Road and Track MR short writeup with Pics!
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And how likely is it that Subaru would *reduce* the power of the STi for 2005? The 25 lbs added for 2005 aren't likely to make it "a good bit slower."
I'm glad to see the MR turn out such great numbers, buf the figures for the STi seem a bit odd. I was just hoping for an accurate comparison, and this sounds like at least one of the cars wasn't quite typical.
I'm glad to see the MR turn out such great numbers, buf the figures for the STi seem a bit odd. I was just hoping for an accurate comparison, and this sounds like at least one of the cars wasn't quite typical.
Drivetrain components have changed in the STi (ACY, front helical diff). Could be a greater loss due to friction, who knows. Wider (possibly heavier) wheels. Subaru also reflashed the ECU to avoid cylinder detonation, which has been a problem on previous STi's. Could have reduced the power slightly. There are a number of things that could have affected the power.
Besides, there are always cars in the group that are more powerful/less powerful than the norm for a given make and model.
Besides, there are always cars in the group that are more powerful/less powerful than the norm for a given make and model.
Last edited by 4ce fed; Sep 1, 2004 at 07:01 AM.
Originally Posted by 4ce fed
Motor Trend estimates the MSRP to be $34,900 for the MR. Due to the ECU mapping and more torque over a wide area, there is far less turbo lag than current Evos. Weird, though. It gains 5 HP from a bigger exhaust housing, but the boost is also upped to 20.3 psi.? Seems like it should be more than 5 HP.
The boost probably tapers down like the '03-'04 did. The peak boost is not occuring at peak HP.
Originally Posted by cmf
And how likely is it that Subaru would *reduce* the power of the STi for 2005? The 25 lbs added for 2005 aren't likely to make it "a good bit slower."
I'm glad to see the MR turn out such great numbers, buf the figures for the STi seem a bit odd. I was just hoping for an accurate comparison, and this sounds like at least one of the cars wasn't quite typical.
I'm glad to see the MR turn out such great numbers, buf the figures for the STi seem a bit odd. I was just hoping for an accurate comparison, and this sounds like at least one of the cars wasn't quite typical.
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Originally Posted by TooColdScorpio
I like the MR Edition badge look and the rest of the badges are from the JDM MR idiot.
Non-USDM
For 4-6 grand more I expect something better than a cheapo sticker.
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Now we're going to worry about the badges. 
Seriously, it really doesn't look that much better. It isn't a sticker, the JDM Evolution part is the same as ours. Take it off, paint it a dark color and put it back on in front of the MR Edition part. You're more than half way there. I think this whole JDM spec thing is beyond an obsession at this point.
Seriously, it really doesn't look that much better. It isn't a sticker, the JDM Evolution part is the same as ours. Take it off, paint it a dark color and put it back on in front of the MR Edition part. You're more than half way there. I think this whole JDM spec thing is beyond an obsession at this point.
Originally Posted by cmf
I bet the MR ends up weighing more than the GSR, since the weight gained from the 6-speed and all that extra MR badging 
will be more than what's saved through the aluminum roof. Of course, the weight from the tranny is down low and the roof is up high, so despite it being heavier, it's probably distributed better than the GSR. Just a guess.
No surprise on MT picking the Evo. They love the car and would probably pick it even if it didn't win any of the performance specs just because the seats are so awesome.
will be more than what's saved through the aluminum roof. Of course, the weight from the tranny is down low and the roof is up high, so despite it being heavier, it's probably distributed better than the GSR. Just a guess.No surprise on MT picking the Evo. They love the car and would probably pick it even if it didn't win any of the performance specs just because the seats are so awesome.
Really, then you seriously don't know our staff. We're probably 50/50 between the two cars and we've gotten to experience both for the last year on our long-term fleet, so we've had plenty of seat time in each.
Please don't make general statements like this when you know none of us personally.
Originally Posted by MisterSpoot
I don't have the '03 official numbers, however...
2004 Evolution VIII RS .................. 3175 (source: Mitsubishi Motors)
2004 Evolution VIII ....................... 3263 (source: Mitsubishi Motors)
2005 Evolution VIII MR Edition ....... 3273 (source: Motor Trend)
2004 Evolution VIII w/ sunroof ..... 3321 (source: Mitsubishi Motors)
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Getting the '05 MR down to the '04 RS's weight is trivial.
2004 Evolution VIII RS .................. 3175 (source: Mitsubishi Motors)
2004 Evolution VIII ....................... 3263 (source: Mitsubishi Motors)
2005 Evolution VIII MR Edition ....... 3273 (source: Motor Trend)
2004 Evolution VIII w/ sunroof ..... 3321 (source: Mitsubishi Motors)
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Getting the '05 MR down to the '04 RS's weight is trivial.