First off Subie is trying to match the Evo as a track star but they failed again. The MR was brought over as Mitsus version of Subies Sti. Sti is a specialty car meant to perform and it does very well. Unfortunately the first Sti felt that they needed to bump the hp up to compete and did not pay attention to the handling aspects as much for the 03 vs 04 shootout. Figure we are americans who want big hp/tq and Evo still won because of its handling superiority. Now it is 2005 and Mitsu brings over a specialty Evo knowing it needs to improve to compete against the new improved Sti. It wins and now the justification to buy the Sti game is back from the Pro Subie crowd. Can't use that it is faster stock anymore or all the other justifying reasons.Face it you have a great car if you get either but the Evo is a lil better at overall performance. So go get the Sti if you want it that bad and be the Evos biaatch for the next couple years and hope and pray you catch up in the mod war.

 

And we are talking stock for stock. When it comes to the aftermarket upgrade paths, the Evo is infamous for having easy upgradability, whereas the STI still is using an engine that has issues, etc.

 

dunno, but i have a signed agreement from the dealer to buy their first MR below sticker price. not everyone will pay huge markups.

 

It will all come down to the driver anyways if you see them on the street. They have the same 0-60 and same 1/4 mile times.


Also does the MR reach 60 in 2nd gear? As I know the STi must shift to 3rd for 0-60s which is a minimum of .2 seconds for even the best shifter in the world.

 

Where has Mitsu officially said there would only be 1,000 of them?

Do we know how many '03's there were, or '04's? How many RS's versus GSR's?

We don't. We thought it was going to be 5000 or less in '03 and I think it ended up being more. Mitsu could just be playing those Jedi mind tricks on us and Subaru.

Unless they come with a numbered plaque like the GVR-4's did, I wouldn't bank on it.

 

STiLiSH, you make a good point about most likely not running into an MR very often. But, I don't really think there will be that many people who are willing to pay 40k for the MR. Plus, you know that Mitsu is trying to keep the price as low as they can because I don't think Mitsu is bringing the Evo's to try to make a large profit off of them. Hopefully the dealers won't mark the MR's up because I think that they could end up getting burned like they did with the 03 fiasco.

 

I think it is hard to assume that only because there are 1000 of them there will easily be a 1000 people waiting. I am sure a lot of people want this car but many can't afford something like this. And those who do have a lot of money would probably want something nicer/classier in the Porshe, Mercedes, BMW etc area. But only time will tell if all the MRs get sold for a mark up ..... but I highly doubt that ..... especially since this car appeals (looks wise) to a younger crowd, who inturn have less disposable income ..... especially with the economy doing so well I'll get one but the price will have to be a lot lower than $34,900 (I think its important to see past the hype).... Hell, I've seen STis brand new being sold for $28-29K and MSRP on those buggers are $32-33K. EVOs brand new are being sold for $28-29K when MSRP states $30-31K. But you know, even if all the MRs get sold out in 05 there is always the 06 MR and after those who are desperate get theirs, one should be able to get a good deal on the next bunch. Plus by that time we'll find out more about any flaws that might exist in the 6 speed tranny (reliability wise) ..... But what do I know!

 

DaWorstPlaya, I think that you are right, but I'm not sure if the MR will come or not in 06... at least maybe not the Evo 8 MR. I thought that the 9 would possibly be coming next year?? At least in Japan I think the 9 will be out next year.

 

Because some dealerships don't believe in it.

The GM at my dealership didn't mark up the handful of '03s he specifically ordered for customers, nor any '04. I actually had the option of taking delivery of an '03 at invoice -- not because he had any on the lot, for he doesn't stock Evolutions (he trades his allocations for several allocations of better selling cars). He would get me the exact color and options I wanted, order it or trade for it from another dealer, and sell it to me for invoice.

The way he put it was "I can get you once, by charging you $5000 over MSRP, but you won't come back. You bought an Eclipse, and now you're buying an MR. By being fair to you I raise my chances of you coming back for the next 20 years as long as I have something you want. Even if I'm selling these cars for well under MSRP, I'll still make more from you over 20 years than that one sale in which I burned you good."

 

Agreed ..... you do have a good point ..... so we don't get the EVO 8 next year but instead the EVO 9 but we might still be able to pick between the RS, GSR and MR for the 9..... don't under estimate the power of greed and the ability to make a sale to the consumer ..... Bottom line is Mitsubishi is out to make money, and who's to say that if they sell all the 1000 allocation they won't make any more. If they see a demand for it, they may manufacture some more (I doubt it considering how production cycles are) but it is still possible since we are getting an MR edition, some of the regular GSR or RS slated for production might get changed into an MR (who knows) ...... just a thought ....

 

Misterspoot: I like the way your GM thinks at your dealership .... if only we had one like that here in Omaha (sigh)

 

Hate to bust your bubble. Order sheet filled and deposit left for (1) Graphite Grey Evo VIII MR, for MSRP, not a dollar over. Signed by me, and the Sales Manager.

YMMV,

Greg

 

Guys the Sti boys are going to just try anything to justify their purchase. Does it really matter which one is better. Both are great cars in stock form period. When mods come into play it is all over but the crying. Sti at the tracks with several dollars more in mods than me get smoked on a consistent basis. One guy at Carlsbad had all the bolt-ons and ran i think 13 flat(fmic,intake,exhaust etc. His excuse you have way more mods. Wrong but my car has the right mods and without a turbo upgrade you still lose. Try and justify at all cost just like the Honda crews. I won't even go into a turbo upgraded Sti that still can not beat me.

 

Actually, for 2006, I'd like to see the STi edge out the 2006 Evolution. Because then Mitsubishi has to respond with enough goodies to edge out the 2007 STi. And so on. No matter what, a better STi benefits Evo owners, and vice versa.

These cars are so bloody close anyways, it all comes down to the driver more than anything else.

 

I guess you are not double declutching?

It is always good to bring both the engine and the transmission to the correct revs.