We have taken 7 deposits for Evo MR's yet I still don't know the MSRP and I'm a manager?!!!
We have a total of 16 coming with in a months time frame. But we have about 40 people who really want one

Hey I'm being strait up with you guys, If you think these cars are going without a mark up your sadly mistaken. We are taking Deposits for MSRP but don't think that the deposit is going to be applied to the overall price. But I can tell you this if you do buy an MR, buy it from a dealer who understands the market and they buyer. One reason we ask for a slight markup, because we take exceptional care of our cars. We have only one Evo set aside for demoing purposes, all the other are stored in a secure underground storage facility. Owners even have the option of having the car directly flatbeded to there house or dyno facility as soon as the shipment truck arrives at the dealership. None of our evo have been abused by sales personel or JACK customers (except for the demo). How many of you Bought your evo with less than 5 miles on it, I DID.

My point is if you want the best selection and a good price give us a call

Ask for the two managers that own Evos themselves

Joe and Robert
Santa Monica Mitsubishi
(866)-925-4444

 

Slight mark-up? When the Evos first arrived here you folks were asking 15K over MSRP. Sure does make me want to purchase from you...

 

^ Agreed. And not every dealership operates like how I've heard they do in California -- and I'm not talking about just in regards to the Evolution, either. I know folks who wanted an M5 and waited about 2 years for prices to become "sane".

Out of all the dealerships in Massachusetts, none to my knowledge marked up the Evolution.

Seriously, you're burning these customers once, and even though you're raking them over the coals, they're not going to go back for more pain. If I had to pay $5000 over MSRP for the car in California, I'd be making all sorts of phone calls with out-of-state dealerships to broker a decent deal. It'd run far cheaper than getting pegged locally.

 

What ever you said doesn't make much sense.

1. One second is very big difference on track. Marcielago is 1 sec faster than MR, but cost 7 times more. How many second is Porsche GT3 faster than MR?

2. Management team in Mitsubishi didn't know how to run the business properly doesn't mean the engineers in Mitsubishi didn't know how to design/manufacturer a great car. Your manager at work could be a dick, but that doesn't mean you are incompetent.

3. Let say Ferrari is finanically ruined and has to closed its door tomorrow, does it automatically makes the ENZO or F430 a crappy cars or run slower on track?

4. No, Mitsuibishi will not go out of business, because the motor division is only a small part of the corporation. And even if the whole corporation is doing really really bad, other company will buy out Mitsu because it still has alot of business assests.

5. I don't know how old you are, but did you know Subaru was once the crappiest Japanese automaker. Remember those crappy Subi which has spare tire in the engine bay? Subi is doing well now because they introduced the wrx a few years ago. And Mitsubishi is on the right track now because they have the evo which people want.

6. Why can't you take thing at face value, MR is faster than STi on track. They are both great car, but MR is just a little better on track, period.

7. Magazine articles are written by professional auto journalists, so I trust them about car more than I can trust you. Do you read any other type of magazines? Do you read magazines just to disagree with the journalist? Or do you get professional opinion, data and info from journalist?

8. Yes, you are person #23480 on this board who said you can spend $1k to make car #1 goes 2 mins faster than car #2.

 

If my dealership tries to do that I'll pull my deposit and walk. I don't need that car that bad. I'll just go talk to the subaru dealer and see about an STi, maybe even a corvette, or I might just keep driving my current car. Again the advantage of being the buyer.

 

I am not a mitsu guy, I like both the sti and evo. But 1 second difference on track makes the MR the winner and STi the looser. Simple as that.

Let say you own Daihatsu/Yugo formula 1 team and you happend to be faster than Ferrari F1 team on track. So, are you the looser because your team was crappy and it was bankrupted???

Yes, I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that STI and EVO are equally competent car, but there is always only one gold medalist, one champion, or one best pictures award, etc.....

There is no Subi Spec C, Subi Type 25, or Mitsu EVO MR RS 6 speed in the U.S. So its irrevelant to bring those into the discussion because we can't buy them. FYI, the J spec MR RS 6sp is 2 seconds faster than the J spec MR GSR which is even more potent than the USDM MR.

We don't know the price on the MR yet, some sources say they price is as low as $32000 or $33000. So price could be very much the same as the STI. But again, If the MR cost $35k. I would say the STI is a better overall deal. Who knows?Maybe I get my MR deposit back and take the STI instead.

If mitsubishi is reading post, you guys should know how to finalize the price on the MR, right?

 

Sti boy I am not a Mitsu fanboy. Stis rock dude but you need to realize both have strengths and weaknesses and one sec on a track equals 10 sec after 10 laps. Big deal though the Sti is still a bada$$ car and be proud of your purchase. Wrx came the Evo came to compete with that and the Sti arrived to show up the Evo and now the MR comes in because Mitsu knew that they had to step up or let Subie take the gold. 03-04 was too close and they had to step up as Subaru did.FWIW Your car is better than mine because I will stick with my 03 Evo that already performs well and my driving skills still can not extract all its potential. Your car rocks Subieman and there is no need to come over here to justify your purchase because your car with a competent driver will beat several MRs as it sits. FWIW I am not saying that the MRs that the buyers get will be pos compared to the mags preproduction models but if you don't believe they are dialed in a lil better you have not been following past magazine results compared to real world. 03 Evo preproduction in MT went 13 flat at 105. Others went 13.3-13.4 at 103mph. Upon close inspection by ecu tuners differences in timing existed. That is reality MR buyers live with it and hope you get a preproduction model.OUT! Wish I could get an MR but the 8 will have to do. Good luck and Sti dude no need to justify your purchase it still kicks A$$ IMO.BTW I have driven an 05 Sti and it did feel good and the steering appeared responsive.

 

This is hilarious, but the funniest part here is being ignored and that is 90% of the noobs here couldn't run either the STi or MR to within 10 seconds of the track lap times and some may be lucky to get within 5 seconds. But mod on and continue to virtual race.. Sad, too many of you blow hards can't even afford to find out what 10/10ths really is and yet you can spend all day and night wasting bandwidth and blowing hot air about how some piece of metal is "better" then another. You folks need to learn how to drive.. and live..

 

Oh yeah, well your company sucks... Ha ha, more excuses from the STi brigade. I didn't see anything in the MT article about the performance of either company.

Despite the sales slides in Japan and America. Mitsubishi still sells more cars the Subaru and is still Japan's fourth largest automaker. I don't know where Subaru falls, somewhere way down the list.

Sales are way down in America because Mitsubishi cut their fleet sales down. From 75,000 units down to about 25,000 units. That way they could create a more natural demand for their cars and increase resale value of used cars. Retail sales to real live customers are actually up.

Those or the facts, and aren't really important to the scope of this thread. Nor is the fact that the bailout package may reach 5.1 billion by next year. As many firms with the group have increased the commitment of cash they pledged.

The bottom line is the STi got beat.

 

Ugg, me drivey more dan u.

I hope that assuming most of the people on here don't know how to drive made you feel like more of a man. Cause it sure made you sound like a *****. The last thing I need is some self-righteous ignoramus on the internet telling me how to live. I don't know if you can tell, but it is probably people like you that keep others from attending an autoX or track event. Not everyone gets into cars to recapture some of the feelings and immature behavior they displayed in highschool.

So what team and series do you race in? Do you think those guys in the SCCA Pro Rally and what not act like you do? Maybe they would look down on a weekend warrior. Mitsubishi makes street cars, we can do to them what we want, and use them how we want. Most of us are hopefully aware that our car's limits can't really be safely tested on the street. But we don't need to go through you, the all-mighty hairy chested authority, to decide when we choose to do that. I'm guessing you were born on a track with the skills of Schumacher genetically implanted from the start.

 

I believe ZX3 was more poking fun at the bench-racing arguments than anything else.

There's bickering back and forth as to what's faster, when indeed, at least 99% of the forum participants are completely incapable of driving these cars more than 7 or 8/10ths. I'm a Skip Barber racing school grad, and I know I can't drive the MR more than 8/10ths, and will probably be going back to Skip's for a freshening, and I'm planning to go to Russell next year as well.

But that isn't for street driving. I'll never see half the car's capability on public roads. The MR is overkill for public roads. I'm going back to school because I intend to participate in One Lap in 2006, and possibly the Nevada Silver State, and I don't intend to embarass myself.

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But the point was that most folks won't put either the MR or STi on the track. Nothing wrong with it, but it is amusing to see all the bickering going on about lap times around Willow when almost no one will ever take it on that track, nevermind being able to put down consistent 1:38's or better.

 

I agree strongly with this.
I'm interested in learning to drive my current car on the track as effectively and skillfully as possible. All of the lap time stuff means nothing to the majority of novice track drivers, which is what most of us are here, including myself of course. None of remotely has the skill to exploit such an "advantage". It's also a little bit beyond me why anyone would pay close to 40,000 for any kind of Evo, as much as I love my car. With the ability to buy a base Evo for 28,000, it just makes no sense to me. And I'm just not sure that the amenities are worth it.

 

I understand what he is saying and I agree with it. I think everyone who ever drives any car agressively should attend a driving school. And I said, the evo's higher potential needs to be exploited off of the road. But this attitude is sickening. This negative behavior is just pointless, we all have to start somewhere, and this just isn't how you encourage someone to begin going to the track. If kids have to deal with guys like this at an AutoX or the drag strip, it's no wonder they just keep it among themselve's on the street.

 

I wouldn't say the occasional elitist at the track is keeping kids on the street. I think track fees, getting to the track, not having friends already there, and the general ignorance that the track exists keeps the kids on the street. The street is a scene. It's popular. Going to the track would be akin to no longer going to whatever night club or hangout to take up swing dancing.

But, there's the occasional elitist everywhere (not calling you one, ZX3). Be it at the track, or even dorkier hobbies I've participated in where -- honestly -- these people are lucky they have people talking to them that they can consider putting down.

Hate to say it, but there's a number of Evolution, WRX/STi drivers that go to tracks and talk trash to Porsche 911 Turbo drivers simply because of magazine-only experiences. It's funny to watch, and then see the far more competent 911TT driver lay waste to the novice in the Evolution.

When I start autocrossing, I'm not going to look at every 2005 STi and go "no sweat, the MR is better". I'm going to "aww ****, if he's any better than I am, he's going to outplace me unless he makes a mistake". To me, every STi that shows up to an event is the potential for me to drop one position on the board, but to a few thick-headed individuals out there (there's some on every board), they'd just wrongfully dismiss them.

Come to think of it, when I joined the local Porsche Car Club chapter, I had to go in for a meet before I was accepted. They apparently had one or two bad eggs with WRX's come in that they decided weren't worth their time because of all the hell they raised. They were relieved that I didn't subscribe to magazine racing ideologies, and I'm now in and get to learn from drivers better than I am, and even behind the wheels of those incredible machines.

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Oh yeah, Neil. I bought two Motor Trends -- One to read and one to save. Now, what about the cupholder comparo I keep asking for?

 

Car dealer like this represent the lowest life form on earth. Who need to pay THOUSANDS of dollar of markup for your underground storage facility, and flatbed service to my house. I will drive my new car home once its unloaded off the truck at my local dealer.

So, you guys don't have good price because I got mine ordered @ MSRP, and you guys want markup. And you guys have crappy customer service, because from the start, you are mistreating customer and think people are actually retarded like you.

I see Longo Lexus, Penske Mercedes, Rusnak Jaguar/Porsche/RollsRoyce take exceptional care of their cars and customer. They offers free carwash, free breakfast, free loaner car, free flatbed for car service, courtesy shuttle, yet they don't mark up. And I don't need to beg my service adviser in Rusnak not to abuse my car while its there for service. In case you don't know, its your job to provide exceptional care for your customer. Its BS that you said you need to charge people extra for providing standard care.