the funniest part about this to me (and i have an mr due to arrive in october for msrp) is that i'm concerned about parting with my 10 year old rx-7 which outperforms both the sti and mr with about $3k in bolt-on mods. granted, they are different beasts, but maybe you guys should look up and take a breath every once in a while. do the right mods and your mr or sti will likely blow the doors off of most cars in your town. comparing stock cars in a tuner car environment is silly, especially when talking about forced induction which can be modded so easily. after 11 pages of reading, i realized that i could care less about the cars in stock trim. my concern will be: Is my mr going to be faster than most cars around with a vishnu stage one and upgraded wheels and will it outperform my current car? based on my research and the mods that are likely to be available, i decided the mr was the best car to reach those goals and that was after being offered an '05 sti for below msrp and this article seems to confirm that.

 

Legal-z you are perfect for the Evo. I am sure both cars can be made marginally faster by Mitsu and Subie and these preproduction shootouts are usually the juiced up replicas of the car that we actually buy. However, having said that lets pretend that they are both mid 13s in the real world(the car we get). The Evo has the most potential period and should sway any enthusiast that wants to put the smack down at any track to purchase one. Game over!

 

Where do you think that the cars they tested are juiced up.... They are the exact same model that will arrive for me in early october. There is no point for a test if they dont test the real cars. My MR will be just as fast as the ones in the mag's. PERIOD....

 

Yeah, you are right, we really don't know and that is probably a good possibility. I bet though, even if we don't get more Evo 8 MR's that the 9 will also come in RS, GSR, and MR forms. They may be bringing such a limited number of them to see what the demand is for a ~$35k evo.

 

LoL you mitsu guys are funny. Aside from the fact that every major news source says your car company is going down the tubes, you like to feel superior that 1 second on a track makes your car "UBER L33t omg pwnage!" compared to the STi... Yet the 1/4 mile and 0-60 are the same even with the STi 0-60 having to shift 3 gears instead of 2. The EVO is equivalent with the STi. The MR is Equivalent to the Spec-C or Type 25 if they were to do a similar limited release in the US, in which the MR would get spanked on the track time. But if you wish to believe a limited production version of the EVO is equivalent to the normal production version '05 STi then think what you want. I mean I would be saying that too if Japans 4th biggest car maker was considering stopping U.S. production for a couple years while they straightened out their issues. Stock for stock MR has better track time but with minor handling mods (just switch the tires lol) the 05 STi would be faster 0-60, 1/4 mile, and track time and still cost less than the limited, price-gouged MR.

http://www.infobeat.com/index.cfm?ac...icle&id=535201

"Mitsubishi Motors Corp reported that its net loss widened to 54.8 bln yen in the first quarter to June from the year-earlier 51.1 bln, hit by a plunge in vehicle sales at home and in the US as a result of a series of scandals over defect cover-ups. "

Defect coverups here I come! MR for teh win!

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2004/s1098943.htm

http://www.ebearing.com/news2004/050701.htm

http://www.wintonsworld.com/cars/car...itsubishi.html

Want more? Mitsubishi is a joke.

 

This is all old news. We're all aware of the companies troubles. What's next, are you going to do a demographic survey to see which cars have more intelligent buyers!? Seriously, go ahead. It will be good for a laugh. It won't change the fact that one of these vehicles performs better than the other, and it isn't the STI.

You don't even consider the MR to be equivalent to the STI!? Ok, well I think I'll trust our guy at Motor Trend's opinion before I trust yours. If the magazines bother you that much for not reinforcing your car decision, don't take it out on us. Both are great cars, be happy with what you have without tearing others down.

 

if you're going to talk about bringing over the spec-c then are you prepared to give up the extra half a liter of displacement. I've driven Sti's, rally prepped 2 liters ones and stock 2.5 liter ones; they're not bad cars, but I personally prefer the crisper/sharper handling of the evo.

I think we need to agree that the battle between Sti and Evo is the same as the Camaro/Mustang battles were. Close, loyally followed, and people aren't going to change their minds on the subject of which is better.

Further arguement is just pointless...

 

Omg a vehicle performs 1 second better in a track, while the 1/4 mile and 0-60 are exactly the same. Yet one car company has an "iffy" at best future due to hiding vehicle defects and horrendous customer/dealership service.


Hmmm which would you buy? You guys keep saying subie fan boy this etc. You guys are the fan boys trying to back a crap car company and an overpriced car due to 1 second on paper. If the Spec-C or Type 25 had a 1,000 production release in the U.S. then you would have absolutely nothing on paper to stand on, which is all you got now, 1 second on paper to save your sinking car company. You are lucky suby isn't doing that and that you have the dignity to think that mitsubishi has one sliver of decency left in the U.S with the MR.

And I agree with you Greg K. It's just the highschool mitsu fan boys that say "STi is EVOS bioootchh" who make a bad name for all of you. Go check the STi forums and find me one thread where anyone belittles an EVO after beating it in a race.

You guys are no different than the guys on the SRT-4 forums, it's sad.

And why would I be worried about my car decision based on a magazine article? i can spend 1k and be faster than an MR for 7k less, and know I will have a company to back me up in the future. OMG I wish I waited and paid 8k more for an MR so i could brag and say im 1s faster on a track d00d!

 

Yeah, an extra 6 PSI of boost tends to do that.

 

I've lurked on NASIOC, and many subie guys are very similar to the mentioned evo and srt-4 types... My car rocks everything else is crap... Frankly that's just immature, and I can't stand it. I made a rational, logical, decision when I bought the Evo. (They are reliable too if you don't high RPM launch them on tamac). It provided the performance I like, and didn't have the preceived negatives that the STi's did. For me the choice was clear, but hey YMMV...

 

Here's what happens when an EVO owner talks too much. EVO with a page worth of mods vs STi with TBE.


http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNTQwMTk1NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D



Oh and here's the original thread: http://www.newcelica.org/forums/show...hreadid=146415

 

Wow

1 sec is alot for one lap, whether you know this or not, it is. These cars have a different feel, others may not preferr the same as you. I don't hate STIs, they're great. I don't think I want one as much as an Evo, and this being an Evo board, most will feel the same.

Mitsubishi is a massive company and have been around for around a century, the Japanese government won't let them die out. And this still has nothing to do with the fact that the Evo is preferred in most comparisons. On paper, and among the people on this board. Sorry for that. The cars are so similar, it is rediculous to say one is a cheap peice of crap. Aside from the colors, the interiors are almost identical. The 4g63 is sturdy as hell. Do you think you are driving a bimmer!? Seriously man, get over it. Even if you weren't being ignorant and had an argument, it would be a lost cause on here. Go rant to someone who doesn't know any better.

 

Jeezus christ would you whiny biyatches shut the he11 up? My car is faster than your car. My car is better made than your car. My girlfriend is more stacked than your girlfriend. My ***** is longer than your *****. Enough already.

Look at the stats in the article -- they could easily be two runs from the same car. I read the article and was tickled to death that these two cars are so damn close -- so close that the results of a real race in real life will be entirely the result of (A) mods, (B) drivers, or (C) a combination of the two.

The Evo MR is probably the better track car (after all, its suspension was fine-tuned on the 'Ring). Some of us don't buy cars exclusively for use on the track, despite us wanting to drive something we can go "vroom vroom" in even when puttering to work in 20 mph traffic. If you bought an STi, you'll enjoy it. If you are gonna buy an MR, you'll enjoy it. Be happy for the other guy and yourself and enough of this infantile crap.

Now, go to your rooms and don't come out till I said so.

 

not familliar with the acronym TBE (turbo back exhaust maybe?). But the subie obviously has antilag. Can tell from the idle at the start because it sounds like my rally car.

No offence but posting stuff like this is just "Trolling for Flames"...

 

Alright folks, put an end to this bickering before we all have to don nomex to keep posting in this thread.

STILish, I fail to see your motivation from coming to a Mitsubishi forum to do something so utterly pointless -- I doubt you appreciate the Mitsubishi fanboys that I'm sure exude similar zealotry on NASIOC. You should at least realize that most folks here will be inherently biased towards Mitsubishi, and it's fruitless to engage in "bench-racing" bickering.

I agree however, than 1 second isn't the world. While it should be noted that on the track it's a fairly significant number, it's not everything. Most Evolution and STi drivers can't wring more than 8/10ths out of their car anyways, and the majority don't take them to the track. The difference to how those cars perform is in the driver's abilities, and their ability to adapt to the different vehicle dynamics.

Both cars are fantastic, and do realize that their existince is somewhat symbiotic. And both of us indirectly benefit from the other vehicle's improvements simply because it prompts both manufacturers to continually respond to each other's feats of one-upmanship.

Seriously, just chill. And if I were you I know what I'd be doing -- out driving my STi, which would be a heck of a lot more rewarding than bickering in an online forum.