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Originally Posted by Tanner_Hall
evoneil - how was the steering feel of the Sti compared to the MR. i've driven an '04 sti and thought steering feel (lack of) was a weak spot. has it imporved for '05?
Originally Posted by 1QWKEVO
Evo neil..
I didn't expect the 200ft skidpad to be so different then the slalom g's but I guess they were... The MR generates less G's then the VIII's do so that would reflect in it's slalom speeds... again this could very well be do to track conditions... I was just in shock when I saw 1.11 g's lol
The new lotus makes around 1.02 g's without the sport package and runs up around the 74mph mark for slalom speeds... But those g's are on a skid pad not through the slalom...
I didn't expect the 200ft skidpad to be so different then the slalom g's but I guess they were... The MR generates less G's then the VIII's do so that would reflect in it's slalom speeds... again this could very well be do to track conditions... I was just in shock when I saw 1.11 g's lol
The new lotus makes around 1.02 g's without the sport package and runs up around the 74mph mark for slalom speeds... But those g's are on a skid pad not through the slalom...
Slalom G's and skidpad G's are two very different measurements. Slalom G's are a high input quick load G, whereas skidpad G's are continuous loaded G's. I hope that helps.
Originally Posted by twan
I think we need an 05 gsr versus an 05 MR head to head now.
I mean.....if the MR just edges out the STI, where does that leave the 05 GSR?
I know what goodies the MR is getting over the 05 gsr........just wondering if it warrants the possibly extra $4k if all the numbers come out close (perf #'s of 05 gsr versus 05 mr).
I mean.....if the MR just edges out the STI, where does that leave the 05 GSR?
I know what goodies the MR is getting over the 05 gsr........just wondering if it warrants the possibly extra $4k if all the numbers come out close (perf #'s of 05 gsr versus 05 mr).
You did see my post that the '05 MR was 2 seconds a lap quicker than the '03 Evo we had there on the same day. The only differences being 5 hp/13 lb-ft more torque and the ACD which was set in tarmac mode. Two seconds a lap is huge and I don't think a standard GSR will be able to get within 1 second of the MR, given the same driver, day, test track, etc. The Bilsteins and aluminum roof probably make the biggest improvements handling-wise, but the ride quality improvement with the Bilsteins is simply amazing.
Last edited by EVO Neil; Sep 2, 2004 at 03:48 PM.
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I guess it comes down to the most important feature to decide whether or not the MR or STi is better...
Cupholders!
The MR surely has far superior beverage carrying capacity, does it not, Neil?
Cupholders!
The MR surely has far superior beverage carrying capacity, does it not, Neil?
Originally Posted by Tanner_Hall
thanks for the info. i'm really on the fence now.
Originally Posted by MisterSpoot
I guess it comes down to the most important feature to decide whether or not the MR or STi is better...
Cupholders!
The MR surely has far superior beverage carrying capacity, does it not, Neil?
Cupholders!
The MR surely has far superior beverage carrying capacity, does it not, Neil?
With the new larger '05 cupholders from Mitsu, I believe you are correct.
Originally Posted by Tanner_Hall
you said it works without the wing. not true. it actually helps the wing do its job (create downforce) better.
Originally Posted by spiderm
Hmm, I don't quite understand what you mean. I'm not saying they don't work with the wing. I re-read the sentence and it says "Those functional 'vortex generators' reduce lift by 35% at 110 mph..." and, to me, it means they work with or without the wing. Am I missing something here?
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Originally Posted by MisterSpoot
The STi has apparently been improved quite a bit. This is a good thing, as it'll only result in the continuation of this one-upmanship which only results in better products.
I'll have an MR, but I wouldn't mind having these well improved Evolution XI's around that can lap Willow in 1:30 flat.
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I do wonder about the Lamborghini times. Granted, testing conditions, drivers, etc. are never the same, but a 1-second difference between the Gallardo and the MR seems awfully small. Makes you wonder if the drivers are less worried about cracking up these $30,000-ish sedans than an italian exotic that costs 5-6 times the price, and they aren't going for broke in the raging bull.
I've had seat time in a Gallardo as a passenger, and they are brutally quick and no slouch in the corners either.
I'll have an MR, but I wouldn't mind having these well improved Evolution XI's around that can lap Willow in 1:30 flat.
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I do wonder about the Lamborghini times. Granted, testing conditions, drivers, etc. are never the same, but a 1-second difference between the Gallardo and the MR seems awfully small. Makes you wonder if the drivers are less worried about cracking up these $30,000-ish sedans than an italian exotic that costs 5-6 times the price, and they aren't going for broke in the raging bull.
I've had seat time in a Gallardo as a passenger, and they are brutally quick and no slouch in the corners either.
Yeah, it does seem like the Gallardo should have the advantage. Although I think on Top Gear the FQ320 outdid the Murcielagos time, but the Murcielago also is pushing 3700 pounds! Maybe Audi dialed in too much understeer?
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Originally Posted by EVO Neil
Dude, they are both great cars that give you more bang for the buck than cars costing twice the price. Drive them both and pick which ever one you like better. For me, it's the Evo, but I don't disrespect those that choose the STi.
i would have gladly paid $38k, maybe $40k for the full-on JDM MR. now i'm struggling to justify $35k for a car with practically identical performance to an sti i can get for <$32k. sad.
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I think the vortex generators work in conjunction with the wing. As in, by itself it wouldn't do anything.
Neil, were you saying the steering feel in the '05 STi was way better as compared to the '04 STi, or way better then the '05 MR? Or both?
Neil, were you saying the steering feel in the '05 STi was way better as compared to the '04 STi, or way better then the '05 MR? Or both?
Originally Posted by Tanner_Hall
yeah, i know...i'm gonna schedule a test drive for an '05 sti. i still have a deposit riding on an MR but i can probably back out. i've been a HUGE supporter of the MR ever since i read about it in march. but so many concessions...first the AYC, then exterior cosmetics, then the interior...
i would have gladly paid $38k, maybe $40k for the full-on JDM MR. now i'm struggling to justify $35k for a car with practically identical performance to an sti i can get for <$32k. sad.
i would have gladly paid $38k, maybe $40k for the full-on JDM MR. now i'm struggling to justify $35k for a car with practically identical performance to an sti i can get for <$32k. sad.
If you do care, remember the MR is a limited production car.
Anyhow, I'll still take an '05 RS over an '05 MR. The only thing I'd miss would be the gun metal grey color.
Suspension and minor modding would put the RS on top in my opinion.
Originally Posted by MisterSpoot
The STi has apparently been improved quite a bit. This is a good thing, as it'll only result in the continuation of this one-upmanship which only results in better products.
I'll have an MR, but I wouldn't mind having these well improved Evolution XI's around that can lap Willow in 1:30 flat.
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I do wonder about the Lamborghini times. Granted, testing conditions, drivers, etc. are never the same, but a 1-second difference between the Gallardo and the MR seems awfully small. Makes you wonder if the drivers are less worried about cracking up these $30,000-ish sedans than an italian exotic that costs 5-6 times the price, and they aren't going for broke in the raging bull.
I've had seat time in a Gallardo as a passenger, and they are brutally quick and no slouch in the corners either.
I'll have an MR, but I wouldn't mind having these well improved Evolution XI's around that can lap Willow in 1:30 flat.
-----
I do wonder about the Lamborghini times. Granted, testing conditions, drivers, etc. are never the same, but a 1-second difference between the Gallardo and the MR seems awfully small. Makes you wonder if the drivers are less worried about cracking up these $30,000-ish sedans than an italian exotic that costs 5-6 times the price, and they aren't going for broke in the raging bull.
I've had seat time in a Gallardo as a passenger, and they are brutally quick and no slouch in the corners either.