COBB EVO AccessPORT released and DYNO results
kouzman- I'm assumimg you have a openecu tune. I do not believe cobb will make something that works with Openecu maps since Cobb is not 'buddy, buddy' with those that created OpenECU and similar. They stole some of COBBs technology (as well as EcuTek's). On the upside, COBB will be releasing StreetTUNER, a program that will offer way more tuning options than OpenECU.
howmuch4onerib- Assuming you have StreetTUNER software (soon to be released, no cost known yet):
1- yes, and more
2- yes, as long as your modifications are close to their map rules you should be ok. Through time they will release maps for use with different turbos, injectors, etc. Unfortunately, good things take time
3- there are pros and cons, but rest assured COBB delivers a suppier product, and will continue to do so. They use their product profits to develop their products even further, Freeware software only really evolves when the community offers changes.
Brian_H- correct, although we're no sure on prices as of yet.
STirish- well put.
CPA5- You can think of it like a soft boot, or a hard boot (for computers). 'Reflash' rewrites the factory ECU ROM, permanently on there until you 'Reflash' it again. 'Realtime' is a program that resides in the ECU that is volatile, if the ECU looses power this map will disappear (or if you select Reset ECU with the AccessPORT).
Flashing time example:
Reflash - 4 minutes
Real Time - 40 seconds
We can tune all parameters during a ProTune, real time and reflash. The new StreetTUNER is suppose to allow full tuning, i.e. all the parameters a protuner can do, you can do. I can show you what ProTuner looks like next time you are in.
Stephen
howmuch4onerib- Assuming you have StreetTUNER software (soon to be released, no cost known yet):
1- yes, and more
2- yes, as long as your modifications are close to their map rules you should be ok. Through time they will release maps for use with different turbos, injectors, etc. Unfortunately, good things take time
3- there are pros and cons, but rest assured COBB delivers a suppier product, and will continue to do so. They use their product profits to develop their products even further, Freeware software only really evolves when the community offers changes.
Brian_H- correct, although we're no sure on prices as of yet.
STirish- well put.
CPA5- You can think of it like a soft boot, or a hard boot (for computers). 'Reflash' rewrites the factory ECU ROM, permanently on there until you 'Reflash' it again. 'Realtime' is a program that resides in the ECU that is volatile, if the ECU looses power this map will disappear (or if you select Reset ECU with the AccessPORT).
Flashing time example:
Reflash - 4 minutes
Real Time - 40 seconds
We can tune all parameters during a ProTune, real time and reflash. The new StreetTUNER is suppose to allow full tuning, i.e. all the parameters a protuner can do, you can do. I can show you what ProTuner looks like next time you are in.
Stephen
Last edited by IA Performance; Oct 13, 2007 at 09:42 AM.
I doubt it has much to do with the 'theft' of technology and more to do with having a competitive product that is free. While I do like the AccessPort and if it offers much more than openecu aside from not having to carry my laptop around in the near future I may run it. Its been fun to watch the chater from the AP subaru camp on how bleeding edge it is and how its not as reliable. Fortunately as this has been the same technology used on evo's pretty much since they hit our shores the openecu technology is proven in this camp and that tired argument can't be used.
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Stephen,
The coming ProTuner/StreetTuner will definitely help the tuners dial in the tune faster and more accurately than any Evo tuning sweet before. If there is access to tabled needed that is not available, we'll dig them out
It is true that the StreetTuner will have the same access to the ECU as the ProTuner, but only linked to one vehicle.
Rob@Cobbtuning.com
The coming ProTuner/StreetTuner will definitely help the tuners dial in the tune faster and more accurately than any Evo tuning sweet before. If there is access to tabled needed that is not available, we'll dig them out
It is true that the StreetTuner will have the same access to the ECU as the ProTuner, but only linked to one vehicle. Rob@Cobbtuning.com
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Its been fun to watch the chater from the AP subaru camp on how bleeding edge it is and how its not as reliable. Fortunately as this has been the same technology used on evo's pretty much since they hit our shores the openecu technology is proven in this camp and that tired argument can't be used.
What you may have seen in the Subaru camp, as far as hand held interface problems go, was our migration to a new hand held device. Now that our hardware is very stable again, we believe it is time to branch out into other markets. There should be no worry about teething as the technology is very well seasoned at this point.
Last edited by Rob@cobbtuning; Oct 13, 2007 at 03:07 PM.
"Bleeding edge"? Not really. Our flash and real time technology is super sound being that is has been around for 4-6 years. We have had no problems with either on the Subaru's or Mitsubishi's.
What you may have seen in the Subaru camp, as far as hand held interface problems go, was our migration to a new hand held device. Now that our hardware is very stable again, we believe it is time to branch out into other markets. There should be no worry about teething as the technology is very well seasoned at this point.
What you may have seen in the Subaru camp, as far as hand held interface problems go, was our migration to a new hand held device. Now that our hardware is very stable again, we believe it is time to branch out into other markets. There should be no worry about teething as the technology is very well seasoned at this point.
) For some in the evo communityseem that way though. I'm sure it's still been taken through the paces & has been on protuners cars for quite a few months. I can't say I've seen any problems with your technology whether it be the software or the hardware. I've seen some issues with a local car which switching to openecu quited a power him of an issue he was having but that could just as easily be a problem with tuner. I'm awaiting the pro-tuner software at this point to really make up my mind on it.
Rob@cobbtuning- it was my understanding that there was 'disappointment' towards those that created Open ECU source and how they obtained it (call it not happy). This is info I've received directly from several COBB employees and exec. I will amend my post to state 'not happy with creators' as COBB does not have a 'beef' with the community We look forward to the release of both ProTUNER and StreetTUNER for the AP2, this will only help the sales and eduction of the AccessPORT.
I've used our ProTUNER software(subaru) and open source (evo and Subaru). I can only hope that COBB offers more parameters than the open source. I have a 100% feeling they will, based off of discussions with COBB designers and editors. We've been told the EVO model will be similar to Subaru for ProTUNER.
Stephen
We look forward to the release of both ProTUNER and StreetTUNER for the AP2, this will only help the sales and eduction of the AccessPORT. I've used our ProTUNER software(subaru) and open source (evo and Subaru). I can only hope that COBB offers more parameters than the open source. I have a 100% feeling they will, based off of discussions with COBB designers and editors. We've been told the EVO model will be similar to Subaru for ProTUNER.
Stephen
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I actually wasn't referring to your technology as bleeding edge as I am aware how long its been around(assoc. of oman ) For some in the evo communityseem that way though. I'm sure it's still been taken through the paces & has been on protuners cars for quite a few months.
I can't say I've seen any problems with your technology whether it be the software or the hardware. I've seen some issues with a local car which switching to openecu quited a power him of an issue he was having but that could just as easily be a problem with tuner. I'm awaiting the pro-tuner software at this point to really make up my mind on it.
) For some in the evo communityseem that way though. I'm sure it's still been taken through the paces & has been on protuners cars for quite a few months. I can't say I've seen any problems with your technology whether it be the software or the hardware. I've seen some issues with a local car which switching to openecu quited a power him of an issue he was having but that could just as easily be a problem with tuner. I'm awaiting the pro-tuner software at this point to really make up my mind on it.
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Rob@cobbtuning- it was my understanding that there was 'disappointment' towards those that created Open ECU source and how they obtained it (call it not happy). This is info I've received directly from several COBB employees and exec. I will amend my post to state 'not happy with creators' as COBB does not have a 'beef' with the community
Originally Posted by IA Performance
We look forward to the release of both ProTUNER and StreetTUNER for the AP2, this will only help the sales and eduction of the AccessPORT.
Originally Posted by IA Performance
I've used our ProTUNER software(subaru) and open source (evo and Subaru). I can only hope that COBB offers more parameters than the open source. I have a 100% feeling they will, based off of discussions with COBB designers and editors. We've been told the EVO model will be similar to Subaru for ProTUNER.
Stephen
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The only reason i'll never buy the ap, though I considered one once upon a time, is that it can't be used with any type of car except the one it was bought for.
Example, lets say my evo gets totaled. I unmarry the ecu, but unless I get another evo IX its useless. If I bought a sti, wrx, Evo X, or whatever, it won't work. Its just another paper weight.
Yes, I could sell it. But its going to loose a ton of value from what I've seen being a former subie owner.
For almost $700, I can buy a cheap laptop and tactrix cable. The worst thing I'd have to do maybe buy a new tactrix cable if I wanted to use it on a different type of car.
Until the access port can be used universally without having to buy a whole new unit, its not really worth the expense.
Example, lets say my evo gets totaled. I unmarry the ecu, but unless I get another evo IX its useless. If I bought a sti, wrx, Evo X, or whatever, it won't work. Its just another paper weight.
Yes, I could sell it. But its going to loose a ton of value from what I've seen being a former subie owner.
For almost $700, I can buy a cheap laptop and tactrix cable. The worst thing I'd have to do maybe buy a new tactrix cable if I wanted to use it on a different type of car.
Until the access port can be used universally without having to buy a whole new unit, its not really worth the expense.
The only reason i'll never buy the ap, though I considered one once upon a time, is that it can't be used with any type of car except the one it was bought for.
Example, lets say my evo gets totaled. I unmarry the ecu, but unless I get another evo IX its useless. If I bought a sti, wrx, Evo X, or whatever, it won't work. Its just another paper weight.
Yes, I could sell it. But its going to loose a ton of value from what I've seen being a former subie owner.
For almost $700, I can buy a cheap laptop and tactrix cable. The worst thing I'd have to do maybe buy a new tactrix cable if I wanted to use it on a different type of car.
Until the access port can be used universally without having to buy a whole new unit, its not really worth the expense.
Example, lets say my evo gets totaled. I unmarry the ecu, but unless I get another evo IX its useless. If I bought a sti, wrx, Evo X, or whatever, it won't work. Its just another paper weight.
Yes, I could sell it. But its going to loose a ton of value from what I've seen being a former subie owner.
For almost $700, I can buy a cheap laptop and tactrix cable. The worst thing I'd have to do maybe buy a new tactrix cable if I wanted to use it on a different type of car.
Until the access port can be used universally without having to buy a whole new unit, its not really worth the expense.
That's great....Always love people's negativity in a forum promoting a great product
People are allowed there own opinions its ok im sure alot of people hate the AEM Hydra, Motec etc etc. for the same reasons. I agree it would be neat this thing be universal but imagine the size of the sucker it wouldnt be compact anymore thats for sure
Doubt it would have to be that much larger. The softwares the largest part here.
Gabe--
Do me a favor and quit sales and go run for political office cause you have the POLITICAL CORRECTNESS down to a science
Brian H--
You are actually correct. This isn't a forum to promote the AP as it is a forum to get ?? answered and find out facts.
Do me a favor and quit sales and go run for political office cause you have the POLITICAL CORRECTNESS down to a science
Brian H--
You are actually correct. This isn't a forum to promote the AP as it is a forum to get ?? answered and find out facts.