RPW Turbo Pricing
Originally Posted by rhyzin
i'm implying that Forced Performance still has it's share of the price hike on RRM turbos. if garrett dropped prices, RRM still has to go through forced performance to get their turbos. RPW gets a factory made turbo and doesn't have to deal with a middle man.
1700Garrett + 300ForcedP = 2000
1400Garrett + 300ForcedP ≠ 2000
Numbers taken are fictive and only used as example to demonstrate that Forced Speed charges you the same thing no matter what price you paid for your turbo.
Originally Posted by Mitsiman
it makes smart marketing sense to drop the price, retain the same profit margin and then make more sales.
Don't need to be an accountant to know that it makes good sense.
Don't need to be an accountant to know that it makes good sense.
Too bad so little people are buying from you 
Last edited by blaze_125; Aug 23, 2005 at 06:49 AM.
you really need to realize what a BigT28 is FIRST. it's (most likely) a GT25R CHRA, NEW modified T25 compressor and turbine housings, and SPECIFICALLY selected turbine and compressor wheels. Forced Performance puts work into this turbo. not Garrett. go to a turbo website and just put spare parts together and tell me how much that costs. also, a price drop on separate parts would be waaaay less than on built assemblies. that's business. this unit would still come out pretty expensive.
my whole point is that RRM would have to go through somebody else for a price drop. if you can figure out how much RRM is charging for the turbo in the kit and that doesn't add up (within reason) to how much Forced Performance is selling the turbo, then by all means, rag on them all you want. i have nothing against RRM and i think they do what they do well. on top of that, Forced Performance "builds" this turbo from other parts and is not a full Garrett assembly so the price drop wouldn't even be AS much. but i will say that Forced Performance does sell the turbo cheaper than the sum of those parts.
i really can see your point on how things should transfer over, but this isn't that kind of situation. the difference could be negligible.
and in all honesty, i'm not fighting to keep RRM's prices up. just giving a rational explanation on why it won't go down. who knows what's going to happen later on.
Last edited by rhyzin; Aug 23, 2005 at 01:39 PM.
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so wait, the bigt28 isn't really a "garrett" turbo, more of a modified t25'ish? so its not really a t-28 right? I'm just a bit confused on this cause all this time I thought it was a regular ole' t-28 straight from garrett.
And on the counter side, RPW uses a "real garrett" t-28, correct?
And on the counter side, RPW uses a "real garrett" t-28, correct?
yup. that's how it goes.
on evoM, RRM has always advertised a "BigT28" so i'm going to assume that's what they're selling. the BigT28 is known to be a Forced Performance turbo. i do understand they don't state this on the website i feel that's a bad move on their part. people need to know there's a difference.
since there hasn't ever been a distinction made by RPW and it's just stated right there on the price list, i would say that RPW does sell the real deal GT28R which is a ball bearing, garrett made, T28 model turbo. in all honesty, nobody in the US really runs or advertises a "garrett made" turbo charger smaller than a GT30 besides the GT28RS "disco potato". mostly because all the turbo vendors modify them and sell their own. you can still pick up a straight garrett turbo, but you're gonna have to ask.
on evoM, RRM has always advertised a "BigT28" so i'm going to assume that's what they're selling. the BigT28 is known to be a Forced Performance turbo. i do understand they don't state this on the website i feel that's a bad move on their part. people need to know there's a difference.
since there hasn't ever been a distinction made by RPW and it's just stated right there on the price list, i would say that RPW does sell the real deal GT28R which is a ball bearing, garrett made, T28 model turbo. in all honesty, nobody in the US really runs or advertises a "garrett made" turbo charger smaller than a GT30 besides the GT28RS "disco potato". mostly because all the turbo vendors modify them and sell their own. you can still pick up a straight garrett turbo, but you're gonna have to ask.
Last edited by rhyzin; Aug 23, 2005 at 03:15 PM.
It's always good to see RPW getting good press. Too bad Boe and ROCK are gonna find this sooner or later and we're gonna have 600 posts about what is/is not a "BIG T28" and how much they do/do not cost and how much better/worse they are than a Garrett T28 and Dave's gonna come out on the bottom of this. Why? He didn't start the bashing, but it WAS started in a thread about one of his products. That can give RPW a bad name as a RRM/other vendor basher, even though he VERY adeptly avoided the whole situation. All it's gonna take is word to get out that there's a RPW thread bashing RRM and all hell is gonna break loose.
I'd like to believe that this thread was started as a means to get the word out the RPW has a great looking kit at a competitive price. I know some people have axes to grind (or at least like to make it look that way) but this continued baiting/devil's advocate is going to end up being BAD for a great guy and a great company. Just look at what hapened when freaking customs screwed up and lost my cam. Next thing you know people are saying how I told them Dave tried to screw me- and that's patently not the case (do I have to link to the thread I started to clear up that situation?) If you have questions please continue to ask, I like questions. But implying that Rob spends his day figuring out ways to screw over EvoM members, especially when he's not here to defend himself or answer questions, is just immature, will get this thread closed, will probably get some folks in timeout and can very possibly end up in lost kit sales for RPW... and then they stop developing stuff for the US Lancer because not enough people bought their kits... We've seen it before (anybody know what RMR or Buschur are doing JUST for the US Lancers these days? Didn't think so
). So my request as a Guru/friend/RPW supporter/ longtime EvoM member/whatever label you need is to please stop with the "BIG T28" turbo bashing. Or at least get RRM in here so they can have their say (or start a new "what exactly is a BIG T28 anyway?" thread) and help keep RPW out of the burgeoning "Vendor Wars"
Thanks guys
I'd like to believe that this thread was started as a means to get the word out the RPW has a great looking kit at a competitive price. I know some people have axes to grind (or at least like to make it look that way) but this continued baiting/devil's advocate is going to end up being BAD for a great guy and a great company. Just look at what hapened when freaking customs screwed up and lost my cam. Next thing you know people are saying how I told them Dave tried to screw me- and that's patently not the case (do I have to link to the thread I started to clear up that situation?) If you have questions please continue to ask, I like questions. But implying that Rob spends his day figuring out ways to screw over EvoM members, especially when he's not here to defend himself or answer questions, is just immature, will get this thread closed, will probably get some folks in timeout and can very possibly end up in lost kit sales for RPW... and then they stop developing stuff for the US Lancer because not enough people bought their kits... We've seen it before (anybody know what RMR or Buschur are doing JUST for the US Lancers these days? Didn't think so
). So my request as a Guru/friend/RPW supporter/ longtime EvoM member/whatever label you need is to please stop with the "BIG T28" turbo bashing. Or at least get RRM in here so they can have their say (or start a new "what exactly is a BIG T28 anyway?" thread) and help keep RPW out of the burgeoning "Vendor Wars"Thanks guys
the BIG T28 is a garrett turbo, it comes sealed and packaged in a garrett box. end of story, if there is discrepancy i can take pictures of the box with the info on it and the stamping on the turbo.
Not directed at you GP (but c'mon "Real Garrett"? thinly veiled my friend), just want to cool some jets before it gets WAY outta hand and we start seeing a Spartacus/Braveheart impersonation from someone 
. And we know you and Boe are about as cuddly as a porcupine humping a cactus (and he's always, understandably, protective of RRM) so if/when he shows up I'm expecting a fireworks display, as usual. But it's all good- you had questions, asked them respectfully and they were answered. No biggie I just don't want Dave to get screwed because there's some concern about RRMs pricing structure.
. And we know you and Boe are about as cuddly as a porcupine humping a cactus (and he's always, understandably, protective of RRM) so if/when he shows up I'm expecting a fireworks display, as usual. But it's all good- you had questions, asked them respectfully and they were answered. No biggie I just don't want Dave to get screwed because there's some concern about RRMs pricing structure.
Last edited by Alchemist; Aug 23, 2005 at 07:02 PM.
rofl @ this thread.
there is gonna be a large post count on this thread..
if u dont like rrms prices dont buy from them..
if u hate accolades service, dont buy from them..
its common sense.. for me. im a local socal guy and rrm treats me well, when i get a turbo ill buy rrm. my choice as its all of urs.. if u want rpw good for u ill see yah at the track
there is gonna be a large post count on this thread..
if u dont like rrms prices dont buy from them..
if u hate accolades service, dont buy from them..
its common sense.. for me. im a local socal guy and rrm treats me well, when i get a turbo ill buy rrm. my choice as its all of urs.. if u want rpw good for u ill see yah at the track
I have to agree with alchemist on this one... RPW makes great parts and is competively price... I planned on going w/ them when i was gonna boost... now that im staying N/A im still going with them. I wished Vision would have reped RPW on these boards better so that us old folks arent the only ones to know about these great products from the down under. keep up the good work dave... when i get some more cash i'm coming for one of those nice new IM.
and there is not post count anymore 
and there is not post count anymore
mitsiman: i see that the GT30R is an option on the RPW website. that's pretty big. is it possible for you guys to get the GT28RS "disco potato" for those that want something between the 30R and the 28R? hoping an option like that wouldn't tip the scales too much, it would seem the 28RS would be a pretty good contender over here as far as turbo kits.
interesting enough, if i take the price list of stage 1 above, subtract the 28R turbo price, convert it to USD, then add the price of a 28RS(from a garrett distributor here @ $1285), we still come up to the price of $3265. {yay}
interesting enough, if i take the price list of stage 1 above, subtract the 28R turbo price, convert it to USD, then add the price of a 28RS(from a garrett distributor here @ $1285), we still come up to the price of $3265. {yay}