I understand about not dropping a turbo in a CVT car. Otter, that's a very good reason, simply because of the tech that was put into it. But Rock believes that a Lancer CVT can go up to 200hp w/o the turbo from what his company has tested and speculated. He spoke with Mitsubishi Techs and even in the brochures, they expect tuners to hit the aftermarkets for the 08 Lancers. Rock had been told from TECHs from Mitsu had told them that the engine that is dropped into the Lancer is a very strong engine and can be tuned. (I think?)
But time will only tell.
Has anyone heard different? What disappoints me is that most tech fabricators are hard as hell to get in contact with and sit with you to speak of possibilites on aftermarket parts for any model of cars. That line of communication needs to be 100% open.
And BTW, CVT is the future. Wait till you guys get into the new EVO. From what I gather, the technology on the EVO is mindblowing. I personally don't believe this is a type of car that anyone can drive. Especially with the sportronic shifter, for all you MANUAL SHIFTERS. Every single part of the car is designed for the each specific driver. I understand that people love dropping that clutch but this is new era of engineering. Formula cars who already utilize "like" CVT transmissions as well as RALLY vehicles are creating something for computers to mover quicker then thought. The clutch wastes time according to certain techs. That is why they brought the CVT to the table. The NEW EVO is said that it is designed for full integrated racing of all mediums. It's like fully understanding all the tech that is assimilated into the car. To understand TRUE potential.
It's not called the EVOLUTION for nothing.

 

(this is directed at anyone who may read this thread, not just one person)
Well you do what you do, just heed this warning. On these new CVT transmissions that are not serviceable, take caution. If you turbo or super your car or otherwise modify the performance and it causes a band to crack or the diff to grenade or any other internal injury to that transmission, it's not going to be covered under warranty. You'll have a whole hell of a lot of fun trying to convince the techs and service writers otherwise. And that's a new transmission, out of pocket.

Just a warning.

t Chino: Yes the 4B11 is a very strong engine. Name me another small displacement I4 that uses a timing chain. They're tough engines with tons of potential. I hate however to go back to my 3800 days, but here it is. You can push tons and tons of power through any engine as long as its done right. However if you can't strengthen the transmission, that power is worthless. If the CVT was serviceable, then maybe someone could put a new diff or stronger internals inside to compensate for the power. But it's not. One of the biggest obstacles when I was modding 3800s was the transmission. Those engines were capable of over 500 hp and 600 tq, but the transmission was only rated for 250 hp and they'd barely last at that.

Of course that transmission can handle up to 200 hp. But think - if we're pushing 142 to the wheels as it is, is that really a whole lot of room to move? And how long will that transmission last when consistently pushed to or past its capabilities?

 

Hawkeye,
Oh yes, I agree but that holds true to ANY engine. Isn't that correct? Of course if you were to put more power in an engine, calibration would have to come in play. On all levels of the engine. At least that is what I understood what you were saying. Me? I would not drop a turbo in my GTS. My 97 Dodge Avenger has a Nissan Silvia turbo in it and I had to get the transmission calibrated to hold and understand the power that was brought to it's guts. And that's my SUNDAY ride. But that holds with any whip you pick up.
The engine on the Lancer that can hold up to 200hp was pure speculation. The Techs at Mitsu CLAIMS that themselves. That's not from the grapevine. That's their words. But when it comes to a non-servicable CVT, I'd rather do the regular mods. Air intake, exhaust and suspension and that would be the limit, if it's proven otherwise. feel me?

 

Oh I agree with you completely. And it's not all directed at you, but also every person who comes in and has the same questions.

It's just not really an intelligent thing to heavily modify an engine when the tranny is non serviceable. Remember any car is only going to be as strong as its weakest link. And honestly I'm thinking that in these Lancers, that is the CVT. At least when it comes to modding.

 

It's all good.
I am new to tech forums and it's quite enlightening to read what others share about based on their own knowledge.
Good lookin out, Hawkeye.

Thanks for sharing.
lol!

 

At the same time, that's also just speculation. Maybe Rock and the techs are correct and the CVT will be a beefy monster. In the end, we won't know until we start seeing threads saying "help! tranny problems" and then we count how many of them show up...

 

Quite true. I'm not going to be pessimistic about the entire issue, it's more like being cautiously optimistic. I'd love for things to work, but I'm (personally) always a little speculative with new technologies meshing with mods. As this is a 1st year CVT in the Lancer, I'll sit back and bide my time.

Exactly why I opted for the old 5MT.

 

+1 on the 5 SPEED

 

Lol! Exactly. And it will come. Someone is bound to go a lil far and end up answering alot of questions.

I dig the GTS as is. I have an Aqua Metallic one, CVT. And I have to say, it looks like this car could be on the A-List of cars by color and design. I didn't get this car to go out chasing tailpipes. But I am curious what the potential is on the tuning side. If I can get 197hp like the stock 08 civiv si , I would be satisfied.

you know?

 

Very interesting reading everyone! I know very little about adding turbos etc... all I know is I too would like to pull out a few more ponies from GTS.

Look forward to hearing more..

 

Dee dee dee!

CVT Is not in the new Evo. CVT means no gears... one continuous changing gear. The EVO X is going to have a dual clutch transmission. Huge difference
Continuously variable transmission

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continu...e_transmission

 

I won't correct you about the Evo's trans, since someone has already done it. There's no way I'd call CVTs the future of transmissions at this point, either. They are not designed for high-power applications, since at this point it's just a belt on a couple pulleys, which can slip. Also, it's not very cost effective to have non-serviceable transmissions in cars. Keeping a car in its power band is a nice idea, but they need to find a better way to do it.

Formula cars use DSG transmissions, which is NOTHING like a CVT.

 

Everything anyone says is complete speculation, nothing is solid ground based with facts. Say the CVT cant take power, say it can, either way no one is right. No one will be right until someone tries to prove either point, sitting around doing nothing, proves nothing.

I honestly dont THINK motor companies would design and warranty a non-servicable transmission that COULDNT hold up to a beating, the only question that remains is how much of a beating can it take.

Like i said in another forum, we just need some new tech enthusiast with money to replace or a higher up tech/dealer friend who can replace their CVT when/if they blow it up. Until then, sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride. We arent the only ones with CVTs, there are other cars and people for each who are going to be working at this.

 

BTW, after boredly googling Turbo CVT, it is brought to my knowledge that the Audi A4 is a Turbo engine with CVT transmission. So there, its possible and probable to Turbo an engine with CVT transmission.

Only thing is, the Audi uses a chain where as we use a belt, so the question is:

How much stronger is the chain system than the belt/pulley system?

 

Ok, perhaps, I need to explain a bit more here. First of all I never said CVT was in the NEXT EVO. But what I was applying is that the "like" platform is the same.
CVT is the future, no matter how you look at it. From it's root to it's evolution. And you can take that to the bank. The DSG and CVT are not the same but the science of it's usaage is very parallel. The concept on the way it works and HOW it is being utilzed is the SAME.
Naturally, from a driver's point of view, they are 2 different things, but from a science they rely on the same concepts, ideas and purpose. Both have the same type of prgramming that is utlized for changing gears. Although we know that the CVT don't use gears except for one, the prgramming for the before and after concepts are there. The Lexus has certain transmissions that is CVT or in otherwords a more refined IVT. As well as the AUDI's DSG. The DSG is a SELF SHIFTING transmission. Isn't CVT's idea the same? An illusionary self shifting transmission that forsees possible before and after gear ratio's? Read about the whole not just it's parts. While the CVT is nothing but a fuel economy dynamics, the DSG is based on performance dynamics. But they are strikingly similar on it's usage. If you go even a step further, NASA has asked certain tuner enthusiasts to come up with an engine that has economy and power. Simply that they can assimilate and open the new ideas that the common driver can bring to the table. This happened years ago. And part of the result was that, IVT,CVT came out as part of the experimentation. And alot of our engines have rocket science influences to get to that goal. My original question was can a CVT of today's common driver be outfitted with a turbo and satisfy a tuner/driver with the benefits of gas and power. But if I were to create a CVT or IVT transmissions that has power as and be economical, would that not be an engine worth investing in for today's high gas economy. If I were to get 250 hp out of an engine and be able to say a 30/35 mpg; would you not invest in it? I believe if you had the money, very likely. That's the future of new age engineering with physics as the king of it'f findings.
I stand corrected with that fact that they are not the same, but altogether, based on my inquiry and findings, my opinion about the "like" concepts remain the same.