This thread was created to midigate vs postings in a dealer info release thread. It is ok to discuss the differences between stock and modded cars. If it was pointless to talk about then people probably wouldnt mod cars to begin with!

If this is your oppinion though, then just dont post here! We value your oppinion but no one forced you to view this thread!

Scott

 

everyone is entitled to an opinion. even though most of them suck. as for our neighbors to the north, quit complaining about paying more for your cars. at least your medications are hella cheap. j/k. it does suck that you cant get the GPS option though.

 

ya, i know its ****ty to pay through the nose but oh well. what you gonna do haha.
if i wanted it bad enough id go to montana and get a car but all the effort and the dollar isnt doing too well atm. and your not much further ahead in the end. lol yes yes it does suck no GPS sigh.

 

how can you say that a turbo GTS isnt in the same ballpark as a ralliart when the turbo gts is faster? sure a ralliart would rip a GTS apart on the track..but as far as straight speed..its very much in the same ballpark. in a race from a roll a FWD car would have the advantage over a AWD car

 

Thats somewhat true, but track times dont happen from a roll. Thats more important to some poeple. Besides, If the car cant compete from the dig, then where do you stand? AWD really does have its advantages. Even if you give the GTS 300hp to compete in the range of the Evo X, It wont matter if you dont have traction!

 

just a ? but can you make it awd???? Just asking because I thought I saw it done by some guys on TLc on a diffrent car.

 

the cost to do that would be insane i would imagine..but anything is possible

 

yes. the easiest way would be with the jdm galant fortis' AWD system which is the same as the outlander. the cost of such a project would make it utterly pointless though.

 

Some interesting observations/comments based on what's been said already.
1. If Mitsubishi isn't careful, they're going to inflate themselves right out of the market. If they pump the cost of the ralliart significantly over that of the WRX and into STI terrority, they'll ruin the car. Who in their right mind would pay STI prices for less power, a new and unproven motor, and a manufacturer that is not as well recognized or as well associated with the segment (mainly in Canada)? This is a major problem up here where an Evo MR is a 60000$ car because of dealer inflation. Compare this with a brand new, fully loaded STI (navi and all) for 46000$ out the door. I like Mitsubishi but not enough to pay 14000$ for one. I know quite a few people who considered buying an evo but bought an STI instead because they didn't like how the dealerships were treating them (ie. as if they didn't need their business). If you're selling a limited edition Ferrari you can act like that but if you're selling what is essentially an econobox on steroids (in terms of fit and finish, comfort, features, etc), you need to be reasonable and do what is best for the company and sell as many units as you can while still making a decent profit.
2. As I pointed out in another thread, there are some advantages to a turboed GTS including insurance, cost and straight line performance. However, saying "oh a turboed GTS is better than a Ralliart" is ridiculous. There are more things to a performance car than straight line speed and realistically, dump 2000$ into the Ralliart (TBE and a tune lets say) and it'll walk away from all but the most heavily GTS lancers. If you like your GTS, keep it and do what you want with it, but don't be naive about the situation.

 

heck a MBC and tune would probably be enough to render any stock GTS with turbo kit extinct...

 

I saw someone do it to a Tegy Type-R. Was an awsome project.

^ He's right. The financial undertaking would be so great, unless you have some friends that are magicians with the suspension and you found a junk yard roll over that didnt damage the AWD system its self.

I dont think anyone is trying to take on the modded RAs. Just keep up with the stock ones. Still gonna be hard. Look how relitively easy it is to turn an Evo in to a tarmack monster! The RA is not going to far behind it! But I think it important to be realistic in you endevors, FF should not really be trying to out perform AWD monsters.

Try and dominate your respective class.

 

It could be better in the traction dept. with a limited slip, but never as good as awd from a dig, or in the snow, or in the rain, or in the gravel, etc. Bottom line is if you want more power and better control buy the most expensive you can afford. The Evo is greater than the RA which is greater than the GTS. If you can't afford, then mod. But unless you have stupid amounts of money to mod with it will be hard to achieve the same perfromance of the better models. At which point you should have bought an evo instead of a GTS and then tried to mod. GTS will be a fun street car with a turbo and awd though.

 

RA all the way...

 

the AWD conversion has been done on the old model RA i believe it was. Someone on here... don't remember who but they took the system from the.. outlander i believe it was? tons of work and money. the pretty much custom built evo 9 was stolen soon after... pretty sad... im sure regular posters on these forums will have something click in their head after reading this...

Also, those who plan to turbo their GTS usually don't plan on racing them and winning giant trophies and stuff... it's just that kick of power that adds to the thrill of driving... i dunno.. Each to their own i guess...

 

It wasn't completed and it wasn't close to an evo 9 since it had the ralliart motor not the 4G63. The fact is that buying a performance car from the factory is a deal and it cost substantially more to make a lesser model into the performance version. Hell, it would cost more to make a WRX an STI than it would be to just trade-in and get an STI and it at least starts out with the same motor (more or less), same drivetrain and the same basic interior and exterior. I think people really need to think about why they're turboing their lancer. If it's because it's all they can afford or they like they're car or they just want to, go nuts but if it's purely under the premise that they can make themselves an evo or a Ralliart, they should just go out and buy the respective car.