lets talk rrm
many times they have been caught in a lie only to have a mod on here ban that member(s) for a few days and delete his/there posts because rrm cried about it.
when stuff like this goes down many of their fan boys come out of the woodwork, start spewing off garbage and more or less getting the thread locked.. pretty well what is going on now.
when stuff like this goes down many of their fan boys come out of the woodwork, start spewing off garbage and more or less getting the thread locked.. pretty well what is going on now.
I remember back in the days when RRM wouldn't ship out the SplitSecond software along with the PiggyBack saying they couldn't distribute it. Even though SplitSecond kept bouncing me back to the seller(RRM).
That was such a lovely thread
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I should not chime in here but I have to now. This is BERORE I was working with Hackish. My old company could not buy the piggy for the lancers from split second i had to buy it from rrm at 399us. I discovered that split second had a piggyback that was designed for a Mazda that worked the same only difference was a yellow wire that offered a different setting not relevant to the lancer. And our price on that was 140us, when rrm found out they freaked and we were not allowed to buy the Mazda piggybacks....so we went to the haltech mini was more but then again it worked much better but the ecu did fight it as well just took longer.
I still find that amusing....now that Hackish can reflash the ecu kind of made the piggy back obsolete.
I still find that amusing....now that Hackish can reflash the ecu kind of made the piggy back obsolete.
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Do not forget we still have our local Mitsu Club we get together at alocal pub every Friday.
Yepp I am still f@wking here...lol. Just do it after Christmas we wont be there...lol...ansd it looks like we wont be there much in Jan or Feb as we will be working with 2 companies in the US to develop flashes for their forced induction kits.
Do not forget we still have our local Mitsu Club we get together at alocal pub every Friday.
Do not forget we still have our local Mitsu Club we get together at alocal pub every Friday.
lol just looking at your post i can tell you're a teenager, you sit on the sideline and read other post and post stuff like "pwnt" not even understanding what "pwning" was done. so the fact that they're the only company to produce a turbo kit for an ecobox car makes them good? you know why other peole dont make them for the lancer? because its a waste of time, sure you'll get the handfew people who will pay the 5 grand for a kit, but if you bought a lancer to go fast than you obviously bought the wrong car. so the fact that you're supporting them for making a turbo kit that you dont even own, lives up to my fact, yes you are in fact a fanboy. nobody is saying they're the worst company ever, which you seem to be getting butthurt over anyone saying anything negative and call it "hating" i dont know its called hating when a company sells springs that 240 bucks and doing a quick ebay search can find them for 190. if you call that hating then you have no idea what it means to "hate".
you're basically a troll. so before you get this thread locked, just do everyone a favor and stay out, there were valid arguments before you came in throwing mcdonalds and stupid comments in this thread, thats how these RRM threads ALWAYS get locked, people are having a discussion and some RRM D*ck rider comes in defending everything RRM sells and starts blurring out with the immaturity.
just look at the thread before you came in with your unneeded immature comment
you're basically a troll. so before you get this thread locked, just do everyone a favor and stay out, there were valid arguments before you came in throwing mcdonalds and stupid comments in this thread, thats how these RRM threads ALWAYS get locked, people are having a discussion and some RRM D*ck rider comes in defending everything RRM sells and starts blurring out with the immaturity.
just look at the thread before you came in with your unneeded immature comment
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Well, I just support them for the fact that they support the n/a lancer, I dont know of any other company in the US who backs lancers like RRM. Outrageous prices or not, they got our backs. If that makes me a fan boy, then so be it.
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thank god someone else realized that, but he hit it right on the head, i wont be surprised if this lasts much longer
i dont hate RRM, i have the V1 intake that was the first mod i purchased when i got my lancer, have i bought one since? no. it did far away from taking a full second from my 0-60 i feel like all it does is make noise at higher rpms
i dont hate RRM, i have the V1 intake that was the first mod i purchased when i got my lancer, have i bought one since? no. it did far away from taking a full second from my 0-60 i feel like all it does is make noise at higher rpms
If they only burger place around continually sold moldy burgers, would you still support them, because no one else makes a burger?
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Thanks for the concern, but I think it will be ok.
I haven't posted in a long *** time but this is an issue I feel strongly about and it appears that the mods have decided that this kind of thread is suddenly OK. I won't be surprised if after I post, it'll get closed and I'll get banned but whatever, here goes.
When was the last time you saw RRM back up their claims with hard data? RRM makes "nice" pieces in that they make parts that sell well and usually fit well but unlike essentially any major and noteworthy shops in the Evo, WRX/STI, Miata, etc. communities, they rarely, if ever, back up their talk with dyno numbers, lap times, trap speeds, whatever means you want to use to quantitatively gauge performance. They throw out big numbers but they rely solely on word of mouth, trust and fanaticism to sell products. A lot of Lancer owners get tricked into some false sense of security that anything RRM says goes which is BS.
Take my case as an example. I had almost every RRM product available at the time. Intake, intake manifold, fuel rail, header, exhaust and higher compression pistons (a bump of 0.5 compression). I gained so little power it likely wasn't statistically significant, ie. you could dyno my car 10 times and the average would work out to an unmodified Lancer. The intake manifold alone was supposed to yield a 10% increase while the intake was supposed to drop a full second of my 0-60 time. When I talked to RRM about this (as I was ordering was more parts from them), they basically said that the parts I used didn't work well together. Funny since it was all RRM products which were included in their recommended modification pathway.
RRM does make some nice parts, their turbo kits are great, but people need to use a bit of common sense and a touch of cynicism when dealing with them. I'm sorry but Rob is not god, what he says is not necessarily fact. Yes they make parts for a car that isn't very popular but using that as a reason to buy from them is crap. Look at it a different way, like a smart business, RRM noticed a demand in a then untapped segment of the market and monopolized it for financial gain. By being the only game in town, they have you by the *****. That says nothing about the quality of their parts. Hell, the quality of the parts itself has no bearing on how effective they are. Even the nicest titanium exhaust isn't going to yield huge gains on a Lancer. Again, having data would be great but that isn't how RRM works.
I suspect a lot of people that are currently fanboys of RRM have never had or modified other cars. After moving on to my Subaru and my Mazda, I've realized how closed and naive the Lancer world is. A lot of people are willing to take RRM at their word despite the fact that the past has proven it to be suspect at best. From a customer service standpoint I think they're great, from a testing their products/selling snake oil standpoint, I think they fail miserably. If you want to see examples of companies doing it right, look at AMS, Flyin' Miata and 949Racing. All of them can provide you with the data they need about the products they make, and they all track/race test them. That says a hell of a lot more to me than a company that will make claims without backing them up, ever.
When was the last time you saw RRM back up their claims with hard data? RRM makes "nice" pieces in that they make parts that sell well and usually fit well but unlike essentially any major and noteworthy shops in the Evo, WRX/STI, Miata, etc. communities, they rarely, if ever, back up their talk with dyno numbers, lap times, trap speeds, whatever means you want to use to quantitatively gauge performance. They throw out big numbers but they rely solely on word of mouth, trust and fanaticism to sell products. A lot of Lancer owners get tricked into some false sense of security that anything RRM says goes which is BS.
Take my case as an example. I had almost every RRM product available at the time. Intake, intake manifold, fuel rail, header, exhaust and higher compression pistons (a bump of 0.5 compression). I gained so little power it likely wasn't statistically significant, ie. you could dyno my car 10 times and the average would work out to an unmodified Lancer. The intake manifold alone was supposed to yield a 10% increase while the intake was supposed to drop a full second of my 0-60 time. When I talked to RRM about this (as I was ordering was more parts from them), they basically said that the parts I used didn't work well together. Funny since it was all RRM products which were included in their recommended modification pathway.
RRM does make some nice parts, their turbo kits are great, but people need to use a bit of common sense and a touch of cynicism when dealing with them. I'm sorry but Rob is not god, what he says is not necessarily fact. Yes they make parts for a car that isn't very popular but using that as a reason to buy from them is crap. Look at it a different way, like a smart business, RRM noticed a demand in a then untapped segment of the market and monopolized it for financial gain. By being the only game in town, they have you by the *****. That says nothing about the quality of their parts. Hell, the quality of the parts itself has no bearing on how effective they are. Even the nicest titanium exhaust isn't going to yield huge gains on a Lancer. Again, having data would be great but that isn't how RRM works.
I suspect a lot of people that are currently fanboys of RRM have never had or modified other cars. After moving on to my Subaru and my Mazda, I've realized how closed and naive the Lancer world is. A lot of people are willing to take RRM at their word despite the fact that the past has proven it to be suspect at best. From a customer service standpoint I think they're great, from a testing their products/selling snake oil standpoint, I think they fail miserably. If you want to see examples of companies doing it right, look at AMS, Flyin' Miata and 949Racing. All of them can provide you with the data they need about the products they make, and they all track/race test them. That says a hell of a lot more to me than a company that will make claims without backing them up, ever.
