Piggyback.... to be or not to be?
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can i vote for my own thread?? lol...... sticky
I actually pm'ed people and posted in other threads to get the attention of people with the knowledge to answer these questions. Thanks again to rock, blaze, z_lancer, and all the rest.
Drew^^, leaving it as is would be fine, but you will get more out of it with R4 software and wideband. I don't think a dyno would be required unless you really want to go crazy with it. HOWEVER, "with great power, comes great responsibility" (thanks spiderman) . Messing with the piggy can give you more power, but it carries with it the risk of hurting your engine, just like ecu flash. If I were in your shoes, I would just use it straight out of the box and see if you want to risk things for a bit more power. It might feel fine the way RRM programmed it, you won't know till you try it out. Hope that helped.
I actually pm'ed people and posted in other threads to get the attention of people with the knowledge to answer these questions. Thanks again to rock, blaze, z_lancer, and all the rest.
Drew^^, leaving it as is would be fine, but you will get more out of it with R4 software and wideband. I don't think a dyno would be required unless you really want to go crazy with it. HOWEVER, "with great power, comes great responsibility" (thanks spiderman) . Messing with the piggy can give you more power, but it carries with it the risk of hurting your engine, just like ecu flash. If I were in your shoes, I would just use it straight out of the box and see if you want to risk things for a bit more power. It might feel fine the way RRM programmed it, you won't know till you try it out. Hope that helped.
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When tuning it your-self... if you don't have to proper equipment to do it perfect, do it gradually. Ask questions, take all answers into consideration and make your own decision based on the information you gathered. When I modified my Piggy's map, I went a decimal at a time to make sure I wouldn't mess things up. At some point my idle got funky so I reverted back to my previous values.
Now I whish we could get more "tuning/tunes" threads, but this thread is a great start and maybe it will pave the way. Who knows...
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well it's been long enough, I might as well update this thread. I bought and installed rrm's piggy about a month ago. I decided it was the best option for my experience, cash flow, and lacking free time. It has given me no problems except having to watch my speed a lot more. Install was fairly easy, but the location of said install was a pain (I was upside down with one leg on the passenger seat at one point ). Overall, idle is pretty damn solid, power is crazy for the price, install was easier than I thought, longevity seems to be there, and rock was very patient. I just wanted to have anyone reading this thread see which direction I chose, but definitely respect both options.
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so for a tuner just starting out is the piggy the way to go? I just recently purchased the pulley from rrm the header, new intake manifold, throttle body and the piggyback. I just recently got the car about 3 weeks ago. and im new to the tuning scene. so you experts tell me what you think is best.
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ECU Flash is cool cause you can advance timing but that requires higher octane fuel that is more expensive. Changing fuel curves is another thing you can do. But that is what RRM piggyback does already. Plus it is done. IT requires no tuning, no more expertise than connecting 5 wires. So at the same octane level, you can really only do the same thing that a piggy has already done for you. Power would be similar.
ECU Flash needs more money spent on tuning at a dyno or a wideband and a smart computer type nerd.
RRM PIggyback requires connecting 5 wires,period. Most guys just want to be done in 20 minutes. If you are one of them, then get a piggyback. ECU Flash is not for you.
ROAD/RACE
ECU Flash needs more money spent on tuning at a dyno or a wideband and a smart computer type nerd.
RRM PIggyback requires connecting 5 wires,period. Most guys just want to be done in 20 minutes. If you are one of them, then get a piggyback. ECU Flash is not for you.
ROAD/RACE
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ECU Flash is cool cause you can advance timing but that requires higher octane fuel that is more expensive. Changing fuel curves is another thing you can do. But that is what RRM piggyback does already. Plus it is done. IT requires no tuning, no more expertise than connecting 5 wires. So at the same octane level, you can really only do the same thing that a piggy has already done for you. Power would be similar.
ECU Flash needs more money spent on tuning at a dyno or a wideband and a smart computer type nerd.
RRM PIggyback requires connecting 5 wires,period. Most guys just want to be done in 20 minutes. If you are one of them, then get a piggyback. ECU Flash is not for you.
ROAD/RACE
ECU Flash needs more money spent on tuning at a dyno or a wideband and a smart computer type nerd.
RRM PIggyback requires connecting 5 wires,period. Most guys just want to be done in 20 minutes. If you are one of them, then get a piggyback. ECU Flash is not for you.
ROAD/RACE
If you're confident that ECUFlash is for you... come on over to the ECUFlash thread and read it front to back, then back to front, and get started. If not, hit up RRM for a pre-tuned piggyback for your car to unleash some ponies! Extra HP for connecting 5 wires? Sounds good to me! (Except, I'm confident in my ability to use ECUFLash )