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Old May 3, 2008 | 04:55 PM
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Engine mod route, opinions?

Well, once I'm done with my suspension woes, my next step is to to the exhaust, throttle body, and intake manifold. From there, I'm planning on going turbo on stock internals to start...then a rebuild will be in the future. I've already done the brakes with drilled rotors, and Axxis pads...and beefed up the rears with better drums and better shoes.

Thinking of doing the OBX stainless exhaust header and downpipe, going with an SRS stainless catback (2.5"...although I've read that anything over 2.25" is overkill?), and then doing the RRM bored throttle body and intake manifold. Will an ECU flash be necessary at this stage, or should I just grab the piggyback and adjust that?

As for the turbo setup, I plan on checking around to see who can help out in the area as for shops, as I don't plan to take this on myself due to my lack of experience with anything with an ecu, or not GM Got ECS in Springfield I'm going to contact and see what their deal is, they seem to be subaru tuners mainly.

Any input is fine, just wanting some other input on mods pre-turbo other than rebuilding the engine. I'm trying not to buy anything that will be null and void once I go turbo.
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Old May 3, 2008 | 08:22 PM
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id say start with the cat-back, skip out on the headers, and sri . because your gonna prolly end up replacing that stuff when you go turbo especially if you do a custom kit... my opinion would be go with the cat-back , fuel pump , fuel management(safc), then injectors, then get the turbo stuff together...
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Old May 4, 2008 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jwick76
Well, once I'm done with my suspension woes, my next step is to to the exhaust, throttle body, and intake manifold. From there, I'm planning on going turbo on stock internals to start...then a rebuild will be in the future. I've already done the brakes with drilled rotors, and Axxis pads...and beefed up the rears with better drums and better shoes.

Thinking of doing the OBX stainless exhaust header and downpipe, going with an SRS stainless catback (2.5"...although I've read that anything over 2.25" is overkill?), and then doing the RRM bored throttle body and intake manifold. Will an ECU flash be necessary at this stage, or should I just grab the piggyback and adjust that?

As for the turbo setup, I plan on checking around to see who can help out in the area as for shops, as I don't plan to take this on myself due to my lack of experience with anything with an ecu, or not GM Got ECS in Springfield I'm going to contact and see what their deal is, they seem to be subaru tuners mainly.

Any input is fine, just wanting some other input on mods pre-turbo other than rebuilding the engine. I'm trying not to buy anything that will be null and void once I go turbo.
Here's my 2 cents. The 4G94 engine in Lancer is not very responsive to bolt-on mods. The engine is an economy engine and sees minimal gains from your basic I/H/E mods. You won't find any gains flashing the ECU at this point and a piggyback won't give you large numbers either. Here is what I say:

- 2.5" catback exhaust
- stainless header of your choice
- high flow cat or testpipe
- better intake manifold
- better throttle body
- RRM or RPW cylinder head
- 501 Eclipse MAF
- better spark plugs
- better plug wires

These are all the mods that will have your engine breathing and exhaling with ease and will facilitate larger gains when turbo'd. Don't expect huge gains from these mods. The real gains will come after you are turbo'd. This is why you see people here installing turbos on their stock Lancers. Because money spent on headers, intakes, etc. aren't worth the gains.
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Old May 4, 2008 | 01:20 PM
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Bolt ons are a waste of time on the lancer, I had all the bolt-ons and I had less than pleasant dyno results (read the thread in my sig). Only mods I would do are ones that will work the turbo, namely a bored TB and IM. The header will be replaced, an intake will be replaced and you get an exhaust made when the time comes (or buy one).
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Old May 4, 2008 | 05:09 PM
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what is a 501 Eclipse MAF , senate said something about running a 3g eclipse maf , whats the deal with that , is it bigger/better flowing or what.
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Old May 4, 2008 | 06:42 PM
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what is a 501 Eclipse MAF , senate said something about running a 3g eclipse maf , whats the deal with that , is it bigger/better flowing or what.
The 501 MAF is from the 3G Eclipse 2000-2005 with the 4G64 engine. They are also found on other cars with 4G64. It is better flowing and not as restrictive.
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Old May 5, 2008 | 12:49 PM
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man, senate you watch this forum like a hawk.is it a direct clip on or do you need some of the harness from the 3g... also does it fit the stock rubber intake pipe or do you need to do something special there...
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Old May 5, 2008 | 06:26 PM
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Complete plug and play. You will need some form of fuel tuning, however, because the car will run rich because of the signal the 501 MAF sends out. SAFC will work fine.
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Old Jun 1, 2008 | 12:40 PM
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Cool, thanks for the input. I've already done the plugs and wires (was getting too much interference through the thin crap stock wires). I'll be putting the header and catback on this weekend, then finishing up repairing the front and rear lips and getting it painted. Turbo setup will be my christmas/2009 present to myself...so stay tuned
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 06:36 PM
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hm..after i put on my catback exhaust there was a pretty good gain

intake and headers helped also, but turbo is the way to go. I mean im surprised with just stock internals i've went up to 10 pounds of boost.

I don't do it a lot but its very fast on the highway
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 06:39 PM
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10 PSI is about the max for stock internals.
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Old Jun 15, 2008 | 11:30 PM
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is that pretty much with a t-25? Or should I plan on a larger turbo for future upgrades?
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 08:55 AM
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That's with a T-28 or 16G.
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 01:58 PM
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future upgrades t28 or 16G, im currently running a bb t25

i stay at 7 psi running intercooler. You could run a turbo kit with no intercooler but just stay at a safe 7 or 6
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 03:11 PM
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A turbo without an intercooler is like a gun without a safety.
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