okay one last v6 forum
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okay one last v6 forum
Ok i know this has been discussed before, but how about some actual mechanic type opinion. can u work it to be able to put the v6 thats ina new eclipse in a lancer? i got $4000 thats says with thaty much i can get it done? can i or not?
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well the deal is i can get the 3 liter v6 for about a grand with 30k on it and im wondering with the other $3000 can i get it stuffed in my lancer
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ok the 3 liter out of the gt eclipse, and what that 6 a12 about? is that a 4 or is that the 2.5 liter in the ralliarts, i want a six in it not a 4.... **** it i have a dream of a twin turbo lancer with a v6, i havea dream for outrageous boosts.... i have a dream to stomp a ****ing Evo in the ground...... Can i get an amen?
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6a12 is a pure japanese mitsu engine found in the FTo's if i remember right....the 6 implementing its a 6 cyl....a v6TT lancer sounds good on paper but not to burst your bublle...will most likely not happen in the US...if you were thinking of getting high numbers from boost then i would go with the 4g69 from the ralliart( i know you want a 6...but lets get real for a moment) and boost the shiet out of it...
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yeah but the exhaust from a twin turbo 6 oh it just makes me feel all tingley in my pants, that low deep rumbling with the faint sound of 2 bov's tss tss they make...... ill be back.........
6a12's(either 2L dohc V6 180 hp or 2L dohc V6 w/ mivec 200hp) are gonna have to be imported as well as 6a13's (TT option 2.5L v6). these are best but i doubt you're gonna find someone who has worked with these since they've never been "domesticated".
maybe the only real state-side option is the sohc 3L 6g72 from a 3G eclipse.
if you've got some rather talented resource, you can attempt a 3L 6g72tt DOHC V6 from a 3000gt/stealth. highly doubt it, but thats what you get to work with. i just saw a toyota paseo converted to RWD on Tuner Transformation. now i think anything is possible if you've got the right resources.
the 4g69 is the way to go. it's gots the torque to run an evo into the ground once it's boosted. but it won't come cheap. it has a transmission based on the evo and more displacement. it sounds like the way to go. boosting a 4g64 comes a close second.
maybe the only real state-side option is the sohc 3L 6g72 from a 3G eclipse.
if you've got some rather talented resource, you can attempt a 3L 6g72tt DOHC V6 from a 3000gt/stealth. highly doubt it, but thats what you get to work with. i just saw a toyota paseo converted to RWD on Tuner Transformation. now i think anything is possible if you've got the right resources.
the 4g69 is the way to go. it's gots the torque to run an evo into the ground once it's boosted. but it won't come cheap. it has a transmission based on the evo and more displacement. it sounds like the way to go. boosting a 4g64 comes a close second.
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chris saves the day again....
dude when are you gonna do more to your car?...ive always wanted to ask you this but i always forget...you have so much knowledge on this stuff...i kinda wanna see what your car would put out
dude when are you gonna do more to your car?...ive always wanted to ask you this but i always forget...you have so much knowledge on this stuff...i kinda wanna see what your car would put out
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Thats what i said i wanted to do i can buy a v6 out of a 2002 eclipse for a grand and i wanna know if i can put it in my lancer!!!!!! and i want someone with some actual mechanical knowledge opinion.
is it gonna fit? yeah, it probably will. is a shop gonna do it for 4 grand? maybe, probably not. here's probably why.
a) how many splines are on the transaxles. this will determine whether or not you need new hubs and bearings.
b) are the transaxles the correct length? custom transaxles aren't cheap.
c) where to buy a transmission. transmission is a F5M51 on the 6g72 as opposed to the F5M42 shared in the lancer, 2.4 eclipse, and 2.4 ralliart (slight differences but most likely usable between the 3). if the transmission is part of the price, i guess you won't have to worry about it. just whether or not it's in good condition.
d) where to buy an ecu
e) who will fabricate mounts
f) will a new undercarriage need to be fabricated to hold the tranny
g) can you get a ecu wiring harness and will the wires be long enough? $200-500 from what i've seen. the ecu wiring connectors are different between the lancer and eclipse.
if the shop that's gonna do the work hasn't done this before, they might rape you on labor as well as r&d, unless they give you a break for being the first to attempt this at their shop. unless they're strictly mitsu guys, i don't see the motivation for them to even try. it may not even be the physical labor that kills you, but the R&D. you're also gonna have to wonder if the extra weight is gonna make you understeer into a tree or how long stock struts are gonna last. i understand the "cool" factor of a project car, so hopefully this isn't a daily driver.
if you can find a shop that can do it in your budget and it's something you really want, then definately do it. we'd all like to know there's another engine swap for us.
but last but not least, you should give this a read:
http://www.eclipseforums.org/fortopic161744.html
a) how many splines are on the transaxles. this will determine whether or not you need new hubs and bearings.
b) are the transaxles the correct length? custom transaxles aren't cheap.
c) where to buy a transmission. transmission is a F5M51 on the 6g72 as opposed to the F5M42 shared in the lancer, 2.4 eclipse, and 2.4 ralliart (slight differences but most likely usable between the 3). if the transmission is part of the price, i guess you won't have to worry about it. just whether or not it's in good condition.
d) where to buy an ecu
e) who will fabricate mounts
f) will a new undercarriage need to be fabricated to hold the tranny
g) can you get a ecu wiring harness and will the wires be long enough? $200-500 from what i've seen. the ecu wiring connectors are different between the lancer and eclipse.
if the shop that's gonna do the work hasn't done this before, they might rape you on labor as well as r&d, unless they give you a break for being the first to attempt this at their shop. unless they're strictly mitsu guys, i don't see the motivation for them to even try. it may not even be the physical labor that kills you, but the R&D. you're also gonna have to wonder if the extra weight is gonna make you understeer into a tree or how long stock struts are gonna last. i understand the "cool" factor of a project car, so hopefully this isn't a daily driver.
if you can find a shop that can do it in your budget and it's something you really want, then definately do it. we'd all like to know there's another engine swap for us.
but last but not least, you should give this a read:
http://www.eclipseforums.org/fortopic161744.html
Last edited by rhyzin; Oct 25, 2004 at 10:13 AM.
oh yeah, from a business standpoint:
a) how many people are going to come to that particular shop to do the swap once it's been done?
b) will they make up the money with the time they lost doing R&D?
c) if we don't know mitsu as well as we do, is $4000 enough?
and for a twin turbo setup in the future, that's pure fantasy. 2 custom manifolds, custom exhaust, dyno tuning, custom plumbing, you're gonna build this car way beyond debt. but if you've got money to burn, burn burn burn...
a) how many people are going to come to that particular shop to do the swap once it's been done?
b) will they make up the money with the time they lost doing R&D?
c) if we don't know mitsu as well as we do, is $4000 enough?
and for a twin turbo setup in the future, that's pure fantasy. 2 custom manifolds, custom exhaust, dyno tuning, custom plumbing, you're gonna build this car way beyond debt. but if you've got money to burn, burn burn burn...
Last edited by rhyzin; Oct 25, 2004 at 01:15 AM.