regarding the breathing problems, what you arent realizing is that the ozone is not going to be pumped through the defroster vents... it is going to be sucked into the engine and burned, where it will come out as the standard exhaust gas. the only breathing problem you would have is if it ate through (if the lancers even have it) the virgin rubber and began leaking into the engine compartment. if it were in strong enough concentrations, you would be able to smell it coming through the vents. and i am quite sure that if the rubber was dissolved by the ozone, you would be able to visual inspect for that.

 

So is this thing good then????? should i invest money in this or should i just get a AEM cai?????

 

Not concerned with the O3 in the cabin of the car, more curious as to the effect on the outside environment. Will all of the O3 be consumed in the combustion chamber, chemically what will it breakdown into post combustion? Will it become carbon monoxide or something else?

 

I'll believe that when I see a real dyno chart

 

I'm no chemist myself, but it seems to me if there is an extra oxygen atom making up the molecule, and all of the ozone isnt burned, doesn't it seem like the exhaust would contain normal oxygen? If I recall from my chemistry class, oxygen atoms "try" to pair up in 2's...if the molecules become unstable in combustion, there is a chance of O3 to become O2 which is what it wants to do. And of course O2 is what we breathe. In which case the device would help our environment

I wouldn't worry about the environmental factor until an official emissions test using the device is brought out.

 

Pretty good point about the O2, but I guess only a chemist would know for sure. I wasn't too concerned about the environmental factor. I would hazard a guess that the output would be minor but you never know. Mostly me just being a smartass. Would be cool if it did what they say it would do and it would help the environment, because priorities are and always should be go fast, and leave no trace.

 

i think the ozone breaking down into o2 is kinda the idea of the product. i dont really understand how it is supposed to work but shouldnt there be a sort of pre-ignition chamber to stabilize the ozone into o2 before combustion stroke?

 

I doubt this kind of thing would make a difference. The O2 or O3 going into an engine is going in there to be exploded with fuel. That's a checmical reaction that will cause the molecules to break up and rearrange. Since O3 is far more unstable than O2 and since we're all living down here below the atmosphere, you really only need to keep the O3 as O3 until it gets into the engine compartment.

O3 is flammable (otherwise this technology would be completely unfeasible), so it will function just as well or better than oxygen in the cylinder. Also, any leftover oxygen atoms remaining after the combustion will recombine to oxygen molecules in your exhaust. O1 is not likely to hang around a bunch of other oxygen atoms too long without recombining into oxygen.

Anyway, I'm not chemist, but that's my take on it. I'd say the risks with this system are the O3 escaping your intake before getting into the cylinders and breaking down the materials of parts in your intake and cylinders like rubber. If they can overcome those limitations, I'd say there's a good shot of this working.
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The chemistry behind this entire concept is incorrect. From what I gather they are using an electric discharge in the intake to generate ozone from the air which is already in the intake. Using the reaction:

3 O2 --(hv)--> 2 O3

We can show that no additional oxygen is being introduced into the intake of the vehicle; all you are doing is recombining the oxygen which would normally be used in combustion into a different, more reactive species.

In actuality, you do not want a more reactive species of oxygen in your intake - this will increase the likelyhood of predetonation in the motor, as the ozone will be reacting with the fuel even before it enters the cylinder.

The line about UDMH and N2O4 was a joke. They are hypergolic rocket propellants. If you want to get your hands on some, talk to the russian military.

 

Thank you DannoH for clearing that up.

Hey, maybe they turn all the air in your engine compartment into O3. That would be fun! And the EPA would love it!

 

you are forgetting the law of conservation of energy. the energy it takes to convert the o2 is stored in the unstable, high energy form of o3. when it is burned, it will release not only the normal combustion energy, but it will also release all of the energy it took to make those o3 molecules, less natural loses. if the system were 100% effecient, then for every watt of energy it took to convert to o3, you will gain that exact amount back when the reaction is reversed in the combustion chamber. though the system is not 100% effectient, there should still be some gains, mathmatically speaking.

 

and by your same theory to get the voltage to create the O3 you would have to use up power, and since this power must come from the engine somehow and we know it is not 100% efficient you will lose more power than you will gain.

 

i highly doubt that the electrical stress is high enough on the motor to cause a power loss... you dont use up every single amp of power in your motor, so thus it is tapping into unused electricity such as the turbo taps into unused heat/pressure in exhaust gases.

 

well we are all talking in theory here so...... and it is true that your car does not use every amp made by your altinator but is there enought left over to generate the necessary voltage to create 03, and the volume of 03 this thing could create is very and let me be specific as others have stated this very little.

edit: also since on of the components of smog is 03 which comes from the exhaust of cars wouldnt turbo's already be getting this since they re-cylce the exhaust which contains 03? just a thought......

 

Turbos don't recycle spent exhaust fumes. They use these gases to spin the turbine which spins a turbine that compresses fresh air from the intake.