Pickleknock - using your interpretation of the law of conservation of energy, where you state that there is an insignificant power loss from the motor due to this device's operation, this would indicate than an insignificant amount of power is going into the transformation of O2 into O3. Thus, I dont see the logic where all this extra horsepower is coming from.

Ozone is a highly reactive substance, and given contact with any sort of hydrocarbon, it is going to react. Whether or not it is in the intake, cylinder, exhaust, throttle body, etc. What precious little ozone is generated by a high voltage discharge in the intake is going to react with ANYTHING that it can, as soon as it can.

Dont waste your money on this crap. Its a scam.

 

Lets try this from a mathematical standpoint:

Assume the 4G94 is putting out ~90 kilowatts of power (120 horsepower). Assuming that the efficiency of the motor is, say, 15% (that is 15% of the total chemical energy introduced into the motor is converted to work, the rest going out the tailpipe and radiator as heat), we can say that:

90 kilowatts / 0.15% efficiency = 600 kilowatts of total energy

Lets now look at the alternator of the 4G94, and assume it puts out 90 amperes of electrical current. Lets convert all 90 amps of that output into ozone production, and assume that the process is 100% efficient (all the electrical energy you put in will translate to chemical energy and come back out as heat energy once in the motor). Thus:

90 amps * 12 volts = 1.08 kilowatts

The full output of the alternator, with no loss and 100% efficiency, just for giggles, gives 1.08 kilowatts of energy to the system. Lets also assume that this is running off of the battery and is not causing parasitic loss from the motor, and the alternator can charge the battery later on.

Now we look at how much power this ideal mod would add to the motor:

600 kilowatts + 1.08 kilowatts = 601.08 kilowatts

or an increase of about 0.18%.

Which means that with the full output of the alternator going to production of ozone in the intake you are gaining about 1.44 horsepower (thermal). Multiply that number by 0.15 to get crankshaft horsepower.

Why, DannoH, then, does Nitrous Oxide work so well? Because you are not trying to make the NOx inside the car from the nitrogen and oxygen in the intake air, thats why!

Is this educational to you guys at all, or am I wasting my keystrokes???

 

it wouldnt take much to generate the necessary voltage. you can generate 10s of thousands of volts just rubbing your feet on the floor a few times. i dont doubt the product... i completely see how the system will/could work. im not going to be the first to buy it of course, but i am not going to say it doesnt work. i have a lot of experience with ozone/electricity and trust me, it is very easy to generate large amounts of ozone with the proper equipment. the whole concept is that you are turning electrical energy into chemical potential, which is released in the combustion chamber. since the ozone will only have to travel a short distance at a high speed into the cylinder, i doubt that much of the ozone will be lost in reactions with the fuel and or air coming into the motor. i dont know enough about internal combustion engines to know how the ozone will affect the combustion of gasoline. i can tell you for sure that the device will be able to provide ozone with minimal drain on the cars electrical system (if it is designed effeciently).

 

that is what I was trying to get at but missed all the math and such. thank you.

 

when the dyno sheet says no gain... then i will say it is crap.
when the dyno sheet says a gain... then i will make the purchase.
i think we all need to wait for some more info to be posted on this thing. as of now, the site is under construction (i believe they are adding photos.)

 

Hey DannoH....if you are so certain it is phony, why don't you e-mail the experts who invented the device your theory? They will probably give you some tech talk that will blow your mind and all of ours, but I guess like pickleknock said, we won't know till we see some dynos.

 

since we have so few parts available to us lancer folks, i think we should be a little less picky on what is crap and what isnt. we should support companies like united nuclear if they say they can give us such a product, after all, beggars cant be choosers.

 

That's right!!!!!!

 

Done and done. I mailed UN today, and if I do not get a response from them I will drop them a phone call. I am really curious about what this thing really does.

 

sweet. let us know whats up if you get the response. i am still waiting for their site to come back because they are supposedly adding more info and pictures.

 

yeah the page has been under construction for about 4 days now. I'm anxious to see whats there once it's back.

 

Two e-mails later and no response from this United Nuclear company, if that is indeed what it is. I will make the call in the near future, although seeing as how it is not even an 800 number, I get the feeling that I am going to get some bloke's home answering machine or cell phone voice mail. I am tending to think that it is more of a guy with a bunch of junk in his garage looking to pawn it off at great profit to anyone who lacks the common sense to see it for what it really is.

I believe PT Barnum summed it up best: "There is a sucker born every minute". Dont be that sucker!

 

You don't seem to understand. I know from my experience with them that United Nuclear IS a legit company. I have worked with them and ordered from them before. Just wait....in time they will prove themselves. In fact, in 7 days we will be even closer....

From the United Nuclear site next to "Ozone Induction System":
"Complete Update Coming 3-17, 2003"

Be sure and check out the update next Tuesday to see what progress they have made.....

 

and if you read in the info on the same page, you will see that it only draws a mere 2 amps of power! which is only 24 watts. compare that to the 400+ watt stereo amps that all of us are driving around with...

hmm, ~24% power increase for 24 watts, sounds like a good deal to me

im with ya all the way rollerpyro

 

Well I have been lambasted in the past for commenting on this item and others, so I will wish you both the best of luck purchasing and using this device. I await news of the install and whether or not it meets / exceeds the claims of its manufacturer.