umm i raced a 07 4dr SI and beat it.. i guess he sucks at driving but i also raced an 02 SI and lost by like 2 car lengths.. they arent that much faster..

 

Well, you figure the newest SI has 197hp @ top end and weighs about 700-800bls lighter then we do. It also contains smaller wheels, if you want to account for that as well. Therefore, there is good reason why it would pull ahead.

As far as the '07 you raced...the driver either missed a gear, or just plain sucks at racing. All of the specs are in the SI's favor (read: lancer vs SI). All it needs is someone behind the wheel who knows how to use it to it's potential.

 

The weight on the new civic is wrong. The civic has been getting bigger and fatter since the mid-90's like the prelude and accord.

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/sp...ivic&trimid=-1

a whopping, high 2800 lbs.

Only the mid-90 civic LX HB weighted under 2400 lbs, manual or people like comparing CRX weight . . . then again, base model cars have very paltry HP.

my 02 Grand Am GT weighted the high 2900 lbs while my 90 talon TSi (manual) weighted about mid 2700lbs.

 

blah blah blah HP HP, TQ is everything ! beleive me. And honda is last on the food chain when it comes to pull

 

Agreed, honda is still a rev-happy car maker, which is fine, but makes for slow street cars. The Si may have more over-all hp, but it has about 10ft/lbs less torque and its hp and torque ratings are at much higher rpm's. The Honda reaches its max torque and hp over 6K rpm where the lancer reaches its highest torque number at around 4K rpm. But if speed is all you care about than IMO the SI is not the best choice at a base price of 21-22K...i'd go with the mazdaspeed 3 and blow its doors off.

 

haha dude , the must discussing car is the Audi TT. come on Max TQ at 2500 RPM, from a bumper to bumper drag, the TT drags any car around and around.

Max Torque in low end is pure sick . beat any car hands down in terms of pulling.

But hey, everyone has their fav car.

 

coming straight from a slightly modded V-6, Stick. I MISS MISS MISS MISS Torque. alot.

 

20% for a FWD?

Looking at the first post of this forum's"dyno" page and then another dyno posted from an owner off another forum I'd say its closer to 12% rather than 20. Dyno from a manual

http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/...ancergraph.jpg

If its not quite 12% I'm pretty sure it aint 20% either

 

Hate to rain on people's parade but it depends on the dyno too. 20% sounds about right for a FWD car. 12% is obscenely efficient. As for this anti-honda talk, I don't personally get it. Honda makes great cars, and the fact remains that the numbers are in their favour. If you have a problem with honda drivers (perfectly legit, some have a big chip on their shoulder), hate the driver not the car. I would love to have a car that weighs less than 3000 lbs and can rev to the stratosphere.

 

I went on the freeway the other day and I was doing 100 on the onramp like nothing!

 

That first dyno was done by again, a non-member, and on a dyno that no one has ever heard of or can validate its accuracy.

The 2nd dyno, yes may be a dynojet but it to is obviously wrong. Look at the few members here that have posted results. We are all in the same range. Known and trusted companies that sponsor this site aren't even seeing those numbers stock.

 

i dunno where you got the idea this honda hating thread came about. i first stated the Ford Focus 2008 not the Honda Si. Honda Si is a legit car but to me a ford is a ford....

 

As for drag on the dyno, FWD usually ranges from 12 -15%. AWD Dyno can take up a whopping to 25% . . . RWD gets about 20%, but I can never really confirm it or just urban legend.

 

well i gotta say the person you raced obviously missed a gear or did not know what they were doing, I own a Si 07 sdn as well as a lancer es, and a 97 eclipse so ya they messed up lol prob shifting like

 

Same.