hmmmm....this car takes headers? i thought i4's take only one.

i kid, i kid.



anyways n/a builds can be the most satisfying from my experiences. i would look into oversized intake valves, 5 angle valve job, blend the bowls, pnp, cams, pulleys, a/c delete, sri/cai, full exhaust, stand alone engine management, etc. the list goes on, you can do ITB's but not sure how with the setup on these new engines.

 

hi... The S2000 does not have a 2.0L engine... it's a 2.2L engine, not that 200cc's make that much of a difference in the big picture

http://automobiles.honda.com/s2000/

 

thats the new ones..check a few years back when everyone had them..

they were all 2.0s


http://www.automedia.com/2002_Honda_...ts20020101s2/1


like i said 240hp coming from a 2.0 motor the same size as ours..all internals

 

hmmm...but internals don't make the power. I know you know that.
Lancers are BIG cars though...bringing it up to 200 whp would make it more fun but won't give anyone a run for their money.

 

sounds like alot of money for little gains

 

I have recently come to that conclusion. I may be putting my car up for sale soon. Deciding to go for the Evo.

 

Well first you should swap it for the 2.4L engine.
I mean, if you're serious about the N/A power.
Every mod you will make with your car will give you better gain with higher displacement.
It will cost a lot at the start, but you will top out farther into power AND into prices in the long term. Because to get the "last HP" you can get you know it's really expensive, while you won't have to go that far if you already have a better base at the start.

You already know that if you look at your 2.0L, and look at a 5.0L mustang, you can tell from the start with one is gonna get better gain from let's say an exhaust for the same price!

But well if you go for 'only' 200hp and you're sure that at that rounded number you won't want more, don'y swap cause it's gonna cost too much. But if you want serious power...

 

Seriously did people not learn from the last lancer generation? Big power, NA and Mitsubishi do not go together, I'm sorry. You can make decent power but you'll never be a street rocket or anything like that, Mitsubishi simply doesn't make powerful NA 4-bangers like Honda does. As for gaining 80 hp with 8.0:1 pistons, I'm gonna call BS on that one since a car with 11.0:1 pistons will struggle to do that. I would start by figuring out (meaning waiting for people to get results) what the weak points are in the car and improving those. If the head flows fine, upgrade the intake and exhaust systems. If the exhaust is fine, think about doing a reflash or a camshaft upgrade.

 

internals in a sense do make power. as said above new cams and such which are considerd internals will give you a noticable amount of gain.. the evo x for example..same 4b11 but with stronger internals, if you were to take the turbo out of the evo and run on just motor..the car could still run around 210+hp.

you never hear people talk about that being the best way to get gains..because most people want to take the easy way out and do the exhaust intake and others that may give you little to no gain.

 

Uh...the evo X runs lower compression than the base lancer so if you took the turbo off, it'd probably have less horsepower, maybe 140 at the most.

 

internals make power. thats a good one. you guys do realize that power comes from the cylinder head. in hondas case they have vtec in addition to a phenomal flowing head.

internals to me btw are rods, pistons, and crank. you can go lighter like titanium rods but that will only free up power and let the engine rev faster.

 

this isn't an entirely fair assessment. i'd say the lack of big power is 99% due to the lack of aftermarket support. 1% due to less than ideal design for cost savings, economy, etc.

i'd say the 4B11 can be on par with an engine like the K20 IF you have actual engine development. the honda motors get ripped apart the second they're available. the evo's get the same treatment. the NA 4B11??? nada. been out for a year and no cams, no headwork, nothing.

THIS is why lancers suck. cuz people would rather use their budget to tune a NA honda or evo/sti instead... sure someone could do custom everything and be a trailblazer, but who's got deep enough pockets to do this?

 

Internals can make power but thanks for playing. Next time you decide to give us the condescending attitude, make sure you know what you're talking about. You can raise the compression ratio using pistons (internals), change the rod length (internals) or change the crank (internals).

 

I don't think that's true, Mitsubishi engines are nothing compared to Honda's, hell Honda motors are probably some of the best in the world in terms of how well they flow and how easy it is to get power out of them.

 

stock or modified? stock i agree, modified it's basically even. sure you may have to do more to get there but ultimately honda engines aren't better than any other engine. they just start out better, need less work. "genetically gifted" so to speak...