4b11 good for 400whp?
Jun 15, 2009, 12:40 PM
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To the OP: Are you asking if the bare block is good to 400whp? Or the stock bottom end (pistons rods,etc) which I'm sure you know the answer is no. Really, no comparisons should be made to the Genesis at all, as Mitsu makes its own version of the block in their own factory as does Chrylser as does Hyundai. Who knows if Mitsu follows a different casting process, uses a different alloy mix? So if you just mean the bare block, I'd wager to say yes it can, but it doesn't necessrily follow that if the Hyundai can or can not then the Mitsu can or can not either
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Jun 15, 2009, 12:50 PM
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every body downs front wheel drive cars due to understeer and that is because they don't know how to effectively correct understeer for those who don't please read:
FWD's, give the driver considerably greater control of his or her automobile. Here's why:
* Even once traction has been basically lost, the front wheels can be pointed in the direction you want the front end to go, and by varying the engine rpm to "find" the best traction, the front end will generally "claw" its way to where you want it - around the corner, in your lane.
* Adhesion of the rear wheels can be modulated, at the same time, by APPLYING BRAKES in the corner! Thus the best cornering style, at speed, involved using right foot on the gas, and left foot on the brake, at the same time. More yaw at the rear is effected by more brake pedal pressure; more claw at the front by applying more throttle.
* Bonus: You still have the steering wheel, and now it's not just something you have to use to correct rear-wheel oversteer. You can use it to adjust the position of the front end towards or away from the center of the corner, as you simultaneously adjust traction with the right foot, and keeping the rear end where you want it with the left foot.
FWD's, give the driver considerably greater control of his or her automobile. Here's why:
* Even once traction has been basically lost, the front wheels can be pointed in the direction you want the front end to go, and by varying the engine rpm to "find" the best traction, the front end will generally "claw" its way to where you want it - around the corner, in your lane.
* Adhesion of the rear wheels can be modulated, at the same time, by APPLYING BRAKES in the corner! Thus the best cornering style, at speed, involved using right foot on the gas, and left foot on the brake, at the same time. More yaw at the rear is effected by more brake pedal pressure; more claw at the front by applying more throttle.
* Bonus: You still have the steering wheel, and now it's not just something you have to use to correct rear-wheel oversteer. You can use it to adjust the position of the front end towards or away from the center of the corner, as you simultaneously adjust traction with the right foot, and keeping the rear end where you want it with the left foot.
Here's the answer to the 400whp question: NO ONE KNOWS!
Jun 15, 2009, 01:04 PM
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why do i see FWD hondas destroy Ferrari's, lambo, and porshes?
in racing everything is not determined by one cause. its a combination of things. if it isn't, the most expensive car will win all the time.. and thats never the case.
in racing everything is not determined by one cause. its a combination of things. if it isn't, the most expensive car will win all the time.. and thats never the case.
Jun 15, 2009, 01:14 PM
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All im saying is that FWD and RWD have their advantages and disadvantages. Car makers these days are designing RWD cars to where they will understeer before they oversteer due to safety reasons. Also isnt the Colbalt SS upthere with the Evo and it is FWD. Any yes I know that RWD is the best of both worlds.
Jun 15, 2009, 01:17 PM
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Where do you see that? IF some pro behind the wheel of a track prepped Civic is up against some doctor or investment banker in a LAmbo and the latter has no formal training nor is he willing to push his car to the limit for risk of damaging it, and the course is tight and technical favoring agility and not power then yeah, I cansee how a Civic could win.
But I've never seen Civic in formal racing defeat high powered RWDs like the exotics you mention ( and Porsche). Hell, I've never seen them go head to head because the sanctioning bodies are smart enough to seperate the cars so that nobody takes a knife to a gunfight. A professional Civic is most certainly a knife and is tottally outgunned by a pro Ferrari, Lambo or Porsche effort.
But I've never seen Civic in formal racing defeat high powered RWDs like the exotics you mention ( and Porsche). Hell, I've never seen them go head to head because the sanctioning bodies are smart enough to seperate the cars so that nobody takes a knife to a gunfight. A professional Civic is most certainly a knife and is tottally outgunned by a pro Ferrari, Lambo or Porsche effort.
Jun 15, 2009, 01:39 PM
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every body downs front wheel drive cars due to understeer and that is because they don't know how to effectively correct understeer for those who don't please read:
FWD's, give the driver considerably greater control of his or her automobile. Here's why:
* Even once traction has been basically lost, the front wheels can be pointed in the direction you want the front end to go, and by varying the engine rpm to "find" the best traction, the front end will generally "claw" its way to where you want it - around the corner, in your lane.
* Adhesion of the rear wheels can be modulated, at the same time, by APPLYING BRAKES in the corner! Thus the best cornering style, at speed, involved using right foot on the gas, and left foot on the brake, at the same time. More yaw at the rear is effected by more brake pedal pressure; more claw at the front by applying more throttle.
* Bonus: You still have the steering wheel, and now it's not just something you have to use to correct rear-wheel oversteer. You can use it to adjust the position of the front end towards or away from the center of the corner, as you simultaneously adjust traction with the right foot, and keeping the rear end where you want it with the left foot.
FWD's, give the driver considerably greater control of his or her automobile. Here's why:
* Even once traction has been basically lost, the front wheels can be pointed in the direction you want the front end to go, and by varying the engine rpm to "find" the best traction, the front end will generally "claw" its way to where you want it - around the corner, in your lane.
* Adhesion of the rear wheels can be modulated, at the same time, by APPLYING BRAKES in the corner! Thus the best cornering style, at speed, involved using right foot on the gas, and left foot on the brake, at the same time. More yaw at the rear is effected by more brake pedal pressure; more claw at the front by applying more throttle.
* Bonus: You still have the steering wheel, and now it's not just something you have to use to correct rear-wheel oversteer. You can use it to adjust the position of the front end towards or away from the center of the corner, as you simultaneously adjust traction with the right foot, and keeping the rear end where you want it with the left foot.
Jun 16, 2009, 01:10 PM
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To the OP: Are you asking if the bare block is good to 400whp? Or the stock bottom end (pistons rods,etc) which I'm sure you know the answer is no. Really, no comparisons should be made to the Genesis at all, as Mitsu makes its own version of the block in their own factory as does Chrylser as does Hyundai. Who knows if Mitsu follows a different casting process, uses a different alloy mix? So if you just mean the bare block, I'd wager to say yes it can, but it doesn't necessrily follow that if the Hyundai can or can not then the Mitsu can or can not either
Jun 16, 2009, 02:06 PM
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If all the companies you are referring too are using the 4b11 engine than you could compare them. It all depends on who the manufacturer of the 4b11 block actually is. It is doubtful that each company has their own forging site for the different types of engines they have. Manufacturing looks for the cheapest way out, case is if you look at other engine components like the cylinder sleeves, there is a huge chance that they come from a company called Mahle.
http://www.gemaengine.com/index.php?...d=15&Itemid=73
Jun 17, 2009, 03:36 PM
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Exactly, I don't know where they actually do the casting for the engines, but whoever it is would be the one that sells them to everyone else. From a quality standpoint, this is better too cuz if another user finds a problem, the problem becomes aware to all involved. So from manufacturing view point, its easier and cheaper to buy something from halfway around the world. It also allows the buyer to ofload all the warranty/risk to the manufacturer.
From the link that u provided you can't be sure how they have that company set up. From my guess, i would say that each of the parent companies holds stock in that company, and that company remains independent. Regardless, if its the same engine in different cars, and one makes more power than the other, i would expect the others to be able to make the same power or more with modification.
From the link that u provided you can't be sure how they have that company set up. From my guess, i would say that each of the parent companies holds stock in that company, and that company remains independent. Regardless, if its the same engine in different cars, and one makes more power than the other, i would expect the others to be able to make the same power or more with modification.
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