wanting to mod my 03 es someone help
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i went forged inturnals and a 3'' turbo back exhaust evo 8 fuel rail and adjustable regulator 550cc injectors and an evo 8 maf running 11lbs i would sugest the rebuild with forged inturnals just to be safe weather your gonna pass 9psi or not a good metal head gasket would be a good idea as well
if the tune is good, and proper fuel is used, i can't see why you would not be ok at 7-9psi...
people blowing motors at low boost is most likely from some kind of failure not directly related to the amount of boost, but related to how the engine deal with boost and fuels accordingly...
boost pressure doesn't kill your motor. But of course you run that risk because of many other factors, and the more the boost the greater the risk...for example i roasted my timing belt a while back while downshifting, i pulled it to neutral and and pulled oof the road, and called a tow truck, upon removing the head no damage was found...if i had a turbo and was at full boost when my timing belt failed the failure could have been catastrophic...or if a fuel injector was not working correctly and put a super lean AFR in one cylinder under boost, you could blow the cylinder...same as if your wastegate failed, and you build boost beyond what your injectors can handle, it leans out and boom...
that's why a wideband is almost mandatory, as well as some other additional sensors and gauges are recommended so you can monitor what's going on with your turbo setup...
people blowing motors at low boost is most likely from some kind of failure not directly related to the amount of boost, but related to how the engine deal with boost and fuels accordingly...
boost pressure doesn't kill your motor. But of course you run that risk because of many other factors, and the more the boost the greater the risk...for example i roasted my timing belt a while back while downshifting, i pulled it to neutral and and pulled oof the road, and called a tow truck, upon removing the head no damage was found...if i had a turbo and was at full boost when my timing belt failed the failure could have been catastrophic...or if a fuel injector was not working correctly and put a super lean AFR in one cylinder under boost, you could blow the cylinder...same as if your wastegate failed, and you build boost beyond what your injectors can handle, it leans out and boom...
that's why a wideband is almost mandatory, as well as some other additional sensors and gauges are recommended so you can monitor what's going on with your turbo setup...
Last edited by CrAnSwIcK; Nov 14, 2011 at 02:21 PM.
03, PM me, i forget what thread i asked you about what the duty cycle is on those injectors...reason i ask is i've built a custom homemade turbo kit for my Ralliart, with 440's and a 14b...but when i got 550cc and 16g, i'm going to migrate the smaller stuff to my ES...
and i was hoping you'd chime in, how many miles since you've been running 14 pounds? and what are you using to tune...nothing in your mod list stands out to me.
and i was hoping you'd chime in, how many miles since you've been running 14 pounds? and what are you using to tune...nothing in your mod list stands out to me.
03, PM me, i forget what thread i asked you about what the duty cycle is on those injectors...reason i ask is i've built a custom homemade turbo kit for my Ralliart, with 440's and a 14b...but when i got 550cc and 16g, i'm going to migrate the smaller stuff to my ES...
and i was hoping you'd chime in, how many miles since you've been running 14 pounds? and what are you using to tune...nothing in your mod list stands out to me.
and i was hoping you'd chime in, how many miles since you've been running 14 pounds? and what are you using to tune...nothing in your mod list stands out to me.
Yup, we have determined that we can flash evo roms into the Manual 02-03 (maybe newer?) ecus. I am running Tephras V7 9417075 evo rom in my car. Roadspike has also made the autos a nice rom to use as well. Gotta love that guy 
Last edited by 03lances; Nov 14, 2011 at 09:07 PM.
The lancer's rods are forged. I know we all say "rebuild with forged internals", but what we really mean is "Rebuild with beefy internals".
You shouldn't measure what a car can take, as far as boost goes. You should measure it in the amount of torque it can put out. A car can be tuned to make 200ft/lbs of torque at 6psi or at 16psi, and it's probably safe on the lancer to go up to 200ft/lbs of torque, regardless of what boost pressure you reach that at.
Another thing is, the guy with the 14b....be careful, torque breaks motors, and a snappy little turbo like that is going to spool up hella quick. That creates a spike of torque right at the initial increase and then it falls slightly out to redline. The max torque is what you want to be concerned with, meaning if you spike up to 200ft/lbs, and nothing breaks, you want to hold that all the way to redline. If you spike to 250ft/lbs, then taper rapidly to 200 or less, you're missing out on power you could have, since nothing broke at 250....so you know your engine can take it (sort of...everything wears out eventually)
You shouldn't measure what a car can take, as far as boost goes. You should measure it in the amount of torque it can put out. A car can be tuned to make 200ft/lbs of torque at 6psi or at 16psi, and it's probably safe on the lancer to go up to 200ft/lbs of torque, regardless of what boost pressure you reach that at.
Another thing is, the guy with the 14b....be careful, torque breaks motors, and a snappy little turbo like that is going to spool up hella quick. That creates a spike of torque right at the initial increase and then it falls slightly out to redline. The max torque is what you want to be concerned with, meaning if you spike up to 200ft/lbs, and nothing breaks, you want to hold that all the way to redline. If you spike to 250ft/lbs, then taper rapidly to 200 or less, you're missing out on power you could have, since nothing broke at 250....so you know your engine can take it (sort of...everything wears out eventually)
not only that, it's a 2.4 litre...the manifold is a fairly inefficient design, so i'm hoping for a bit of lag either way, it's not a permanent solution...the plan is to use an Evo III 16g or bigger, but the 14b is the same physical size as a 16g so i'm using it mostly for fitment and fabrication, but i will run it initially.
not only that, it's a 2.4 litre...the manifold is a fairly inefficient design, so i'm hoping for a bit of lag either way, it's not a permanent solution...the plan is to use an Evo III 16g or bigger, but the 14b is the same physical size as a 16g so i'm using it mostly for fitment and fabrication, but i will run it initially.
the ES isn't getting boost just yet, it's getting the hand me down parts when i upgrade the kit i'm building for the Ralliart...the 14b is going on the Ralliart at first, if it works well, i'll be getting a 16g or 18g...
The Ralliart is getting tuned by a shop, cause he's the only guy in the world who can do the reflash to read a 3 bar MAP sensor and scale larger injectors. Though once it's done, any upgrades i do to the turbo setup, i should be able to tune myself...
When i do my ES, i'll most likely do it all myself...
The Ralliart is getting tuned by a shop, cause he's the only guy in the world who can do the reflash to read a 3 bar MAP sensor and scale larger injectors. Though once it's done, any upgrades i do to the turbo setup, i should be able to tune myself...
When i do my ES, i'll most likely do it all myself...
The ralliart build is slow going, it's my daily...but it's coming along...
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/04...-manifold.html
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/04...phase-2-a.html
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/04...-manifold.html
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/04...phase-2-a.html