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Old Mar 1, 2004 | 02:38 PM
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There are 4 cyl galant's.. that aren't all that quick... but still they are 2.4L's I believe. I had one as a rental car. Not a terrible car.. but yeah.. glad you are faster than you thought Watch out for the speeding tickets

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Old Mar 1, 2004 | 09:48 PM
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lol cool, good to know that. if thats the case i will have a simular setup to you by april.
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Old Mar 1, 2004 | 10:30 PM
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sdhtown...why no make a prototype turbo since yo seem to know a lot about it...start a bussiness and sell it...i know id be interested....but how do you know that it will not turn ot like RRM's
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Old Mar 1, 2004 | 10:56 PM
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yeah sd knows a lot about turbo's, i;d trust him and buy one from him

what do you mean by, not turning ot like rrm's???

WHATS IS OT!!!

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Old Mar 1, 2004 | 10:59 PM
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meant to say out...missed a letter sorry...what i mean is...how do you know that it will not put out the same numbers that RRM puts out...what can be done differently...
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 05:21 AM
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You can do the fuel system differently and make it safer to run a little more boost, include other parts into the kit etc to make it a bit more efficient different things like that.

If I built a turbo of my own I'd start out with a ball bearing turbo (which is more expensive but typically spool a little faster and last longer). Run larger injectors so the fuel system is more dependable. Include a fuel pump as well. I'd have to do more research and do testing to determine if air to air or air to water intercooling was more effective. Use an equal runner length turbo manifold. And just a number of little things basically to lay out the system so that it was very effective on stock internals and it was possible to easily dial up the system if I switched to forged. It sounds simplistic but there's a lot of work and effort that goes into it, and that's kind of what RRM has done and why the deserve kudos for what they have produced. They've made a pretty solid kit, albeit it somewhat basic and without the EASY potential to grow a lot more (but it can be modified to be more powerful etc.. look at the drag car or boe's car).

The one thing that I haven't figured out though is there is so much talk about not being able to boost much on stock internals and this and that yet i haven't seen a SINGLE thread about someone blowing up their internals with a turbo. Yeah there has been plenty of destruction at the hands of nitrous, but none for turbo (other than Andrew, and that was an injector's fault) Maybe I just haven't been reading around, but it makes me wonder what is up with that!

I know enough about turbo's to get by, but am not a complete expert. I'm learning tons, and getting to the point where fabbing my own (for myself or what not) is pretty feasible and could be done. But there are guys out there like RPW that know a lot more and have gone to far greater lengths for sure.

Also, it's super easy to polish your own intake manifold. Just thought I'd throw that out for you .
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by sdhotwn
There are 4 cyl galant's.. that aren't all that quick... but still they are 2.4L's I believe. I had one as a rental car. Not a terrible car.. but yeah.. glad you are faster than you thought Watch out for the speeding tickets

- "Dad" Steve
Yep I know...thanks The way it pulls on the highway when you downshift from 5th to 4th felt way better than stock...it makes it so much easier to reach the end of the speedometer which is not possible or takes too long when youre stock. Too much noise though thats my only complain
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 07:48 AM
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yeah I loved the switch to the header, so much quicker. Passing is by far easier. But yeah.. It is a lot louder. Sadly to some extent dB = hp
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by sdhotwn
The one thing that I haven't figured out though is there is so much talk about not being able to boost much on stock internals and this and that yet i haven't seen a SINGLE thread about someone blowing up their internals with a turbo. Yeah there has been plenty of destruction at the hands of nitrous, but none for turbo (other than Andrew, and that was an injector's fault) Maybe I just haven't been reading around, but it makes me wonder what is up with that!
I can only vouch for the small guys in the crowd (the 4G93s) and there are a few that have blown motors boosting, or at least FUBARed their pistons.

Most of the engine blowings came from the number one source of stupid boosting: not tuning the car properly. I knew one guy on 12psi he was at around 255 HP and 250 TQ to the wheels, untuned, and his air / fuel ratio was all over the place. You can run 12 psi safely I believe (at least in the 4G93s) if you tune your car effectively and have the correct supporting mods for that boost (like enough fuel, intercooled etc etc).
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 11:23 AM
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yeah having a bad tune is a really good way to destroy pistons and rods well before their limits. Systems like the J and S Safeguard are very useful for getting you through the "bad tune" stage of building up and protecting you from yourself.

Most of the tuboed cars right now on stock internals are only pushing about 8 or 9 psi if even that much. I would think that most of these cars could make 10 -12 psi somewhat safely. But no one is even close from my understanding. Maybe Boe.
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 04:24 PM
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what about the superchrager from ripp - i know its not turbo but they say u can safely boost upto 11psi and not worry about blwoing a motor.
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Old Mar 2, 2004 | 08:53 PM
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sure but people haven't really been or started running them yet, and also a super only makes the power at the top of the rpm band, your most dangerous point for blowing up a motor is at peak torque which is often not at the top rpm's.
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Old Mar 3, 2004 | 01:05 PM
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i heard it has the potental to get 26 psi
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Old Mar 3, 2004 | 01:46 PM
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I don't know how that'd be possible. There is no gearing so they could only do a pulley switch, and keep in mind the smaller the pulley the less efficient that system becomes. For them to make it to 26 psi they'd have to cut the pulley size by more than half. And since a standard reduction is 15% that'd be a hell of a drop. So I'd question an validity to the idea of the super that is set up to make 11 psi making anything near 26 psi.
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Old Mar 3, 2004 | 03:10 PM
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i dont know - but it was probably a rumor, just let ripp do a few more installs, and see how people like it. The first guy i think just said he dyno'd and was at like 220ish whp. which is pretty damn nice.
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