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2003 Lance ES - won't run - I'm STUMPED.

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Old Dec 16, 2015 | 04:31 PM
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As long as the timing belt pulley is pointing to its mark then you know it is a top dead center. The crank doesn't know which stroke it's on, That is determined by valve position So as long as your cam gears are lined up and you are good there also.
Once everything is lined up and installed, I will typically rotate the engine slightly clockwise, and then recheck the tension on the tensioner side of the belt. Assuming you are rotating the engine from the crank, that is where your slack should end up. It will be between the crank and intake pulley. You can then re-adjust the tensioner and take the slack out. I am assuming your tensioner is on that side of the belt as opposed to the side coming off the exhaust cam gear.
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Old Jan 10, 2016 | 09:37 AM
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well I guess it needs a shop.
Yesterday we checked and rechecked and still it won't run. The timing marks are spot on, it has good compression on all four cylinders, it has spark, it has injector pulses, I even swapped the ecm and still nothing.

I shot a short video
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4N...ew?usp=sharing

If you guys have any thoughts I'm open otherwise it's save some penny's for the shop.

Thanks for all your suggestions.
-JB
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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 03:42 AM
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what are your compression numbers?
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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 06:53 AM
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what are your compression numbers?
185 across all four cylinders, give or take a couple of points one way or the other. Well within 5% of each other. I even left the gauge to make sure they held the pressure.
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Old Jan 13, 2016 | 11:13 AM
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Bad coolant temp sensor? I'd say crank angle sensor, but sounds like the injectors are working.
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Old Jan 14, 2016 | 01:25 AM
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I think you sucked a gremlin into the intake


seriously, I am completely stumped... there is no good reason it shouldn't be running
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Old Jan 14, 2016 | 08:21 AM
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do you smell fuel after letting it crank for a while?
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Old Jan 15, 2016 | 09:17 AM
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"Bad coolant temp sensor? I'd say crank angle sensor, but sounds like the injectors are working."
I'm pretty sure the injectors are working - I put my volt meter on both terminals and get ~12v. When you crank the engine it drops to around ~10v. Would a coolant sensor prevent starting?

"I think you sucked a gremlin into the intake :-)" - For sure he was fed after midnight.

"do you smell fuel after letting it crank for a while?" I want to say yes, but in all honesty I wouldn't say excessively. But wouldn't it try and run on the either? If I had a fuel delivery problem.

As always thank you guys!
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Old Jan 15, 2016 | 11:55 AM
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if you click on the red "quote" box (of the post you want to quote; bottom right corner of it), you won't have to cut/paste the posts yourself. if you want to quote more than one post, click on the pic of the quotation mark next to the red "quote" box, on each post you want to quote, then click the red "post reply" button at the bottom, left of the thread. it will put all of the selected posts into your reply as quotes.
that should save you a ton of time LOL.

if the coolant temp sensor is bad, the engine could be dumping a ton of fuel, so the car won't start and you may smell fuel. i'm not sure what voltage on the injectors should be, but i'll take your word for it.

a fuel needs timing, spark, and fuel to run. if you have all three, then you have too much of one or the other, i'd think. then again, i just woke up so i'm only working on 1/2 a brain LOL
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Old Jan 15, 2016 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by kaj
if you click on the red "quote" box (of the post you want to quote; bottom right corner of it), you won't have to cut/paste the posts yourself. if you want to quote more than one post, click on the pic of the quotation mark next to the red "quote" box, on each post you want to quote, then click the red "post reply" button at the bottom, left of the thread. it will put all of the selected posts into your reply as quotes.
that should save you a ton of time LOL.

if the coolant temp sensor is bad, the engine could be dumping a ton of fuel, so the car won't start and you may smell fuel. i'm not sure what voltage on the injectors should be, but i'll take your word for it.

a fuel needs timing, spark, and fuel to run. if you have all three, then you have too much of one or the other, i'd think. then again, i just woke up so i'm only working on 1/2 a brain LOL

LOL that was fast!

Thanks for the how to's and the advice. I will give it another go this weekend.
-JB
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Old Jan 15, 2016 | 02:59 PM
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LOL that was fast!

Thanks for the how to's and the advice. I will give it another go this weekend.
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Good luck!
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Old Feb 18, 2016 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by keepseln
LOL that was fast!

Thanks for the how to's and the advice. I will give it another go this weekend.
-JB
Figure it out?
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