Keep it civil or the thread goes down the crapper.

 

i wasent trying to be anything but civil but to bash me for posting something that i found to the community...? that dosent seem to be fair now does it. i cant really say that i am sorry for what i said because it was the truth. all that i was doing was posting contrasts.not anything more.

 

Ren and Stimpy cartoon......
Im going to keep it civil and drop the issue. Tis the season....

 

Stock Maximas 1/4 mile times:
'00'01 (222hp)
Automatic: high 15's -- My best is 15.75
5-spd: low 15's

'02-'03 (255hp)
Automatic: mid 14's
6-spd: low 14's

 

going fast is fun... i think my oz is just fine for me though... anything with more power, i think i'd be six feet under the grass ya know

 

Well, I saw one win bracket racing in O-town last JAN. He was constantly in the low 16's. He never touched the high 15's to win the finals against a Lexus. They were so close in times that neither really had a handicap or bonus on R/T.

Was it a hot day? Not really. It was average mid-80's.

And if you go by mag times, you have to be kidding yourself. I have already proven that on my Ls coupe example.

If you don't believe me, just check out the modern Lincoln Contintel's (sp) mag times. Their times are close enough to scare the previous gen SI. If you believe it, by default logic, all stock SI owners should be afraid of Lincoln roasting them.

 

I was out one night in the local area running my mom's '99 Maxima GLE. It's stock (except for a set of Pirelli P6000s), auto, 190 hp/ 200 or 210 tq and I couldn't get out of the low 17's according to my neighbor's G-Tech. I know that's not the most accurate way to get times, nothing really is except the track itself, but I thought I could atleast squeak out a high 16 atleast. Wasn't working. It probally comes along with the break in. My mom bought the car brand new back in late '98 or so and it was never driven hard which I feel had a pretty big effect on the car while breaking in.

Oh well, just thought I'd share that little tidbit.

 

My homepage has a scan of my 15.75 timeslip.
The general times I stated come from runs I've witnessed, movies and timeslips of other runs, and times listed by drivers on Maxima.org.
I saw a stock 2k2 6-spd do 14.3 twice in a row. That's pretty fast for a FWD family sedan.

The '99 GLE should be able to get into the high 15's, and a low 16 without too much difficulty. Did you brake-torque or flash the TC? I hope nothing was wrong with the engine.

 

I did brake-tq it. It was somewhat rushed though. It was on a public street. I basically pulled out when it was [/b]somewhat[b] clear, then I went. The check engine light is currently on in the car although at the time it was not. I'm truly not sure at all what's wrong. The only way I could find out is either cough up some money and head out to the track or just get the G-Tech back and head on out to the streets.

 

Well, my constant question with mag times (like Car and Driver) is what kind of launch they are taking. I mean, from a standing quarter, and taking off like you're leaving a stoplight, and a cop is sitting next to you, don't you think that's a bit well... unfair? It'd seem like you'd get better times just barely breaking traction. Secondly, who knows if they're testing auto or manny tranny (this is based off of the almanac in the back of every issue). Sorry, just had to pipe up with that.

 

STIMPY!!! YOU IDOIT!!!! LOL
i watch that all the time... cartoon network is better than playboy ch...almost

 

Well, that's the thing. Is it possible? Probably, but not likely? Am I doubting your times, absolutely not.

Then, some people distort what's the term "stock". Recently, we, mirage guys, had a debate about H&A tech stuff. Their top MODs (H&A) stated that "relatively" stock includes I/H/E. Of course, I was confused: when did people actually thought factory placed new I/H/E as part of the standard/optional performance package? Also, changing to drag radials/slicks and claiming stock is just cheating too.


Then, there was 00 Toyo Corrolla guy claiming his stock stick ran 16.2 sec. He's probably using the new age term of "relatively". Am I going to challenge him? Nope.


See, SL has a great point. I have also heard they drag the car about 30 times at most and get the best times (not during mass cars shoot outs). Stock tires are all warmed up to a decent temp and run. They can also cheat by doing a rolling start/cali roll a stop sign deal. If they only do 3 runs, they're not going to get those crazy low times.

Also, most are manual, except luxury and SUV's.

 

my main point was that while every once and a while they shoot an article about how they test (mainly this encompasses the equations that they use to determine how many G's a car can pull on the skidpad), there is usually far too little information about how the car will perform in realworld racing or performance from a set of numbers. Is it a good indication, and can you usually compare numbers from the same source? Yes, of course. However, I think that too many people put stock in numbers that are run by a guy on a strip by himself. Hardly ever factors in the competition mentality.

 

Wow, an intelligent conversation! I'd like to share some of my info and whatnot. I recently took note of the fact that numbers are only as good as the driver that makes them happen. Currently I'm on a Prelude hunt. These are the logs:

Car:
'91 Prelude 2.0SI with 135HP and 111TQ
Circumstances:
Both purely stock. No modifications whatsoever.
Result:
Dead even all the way up to 4th.

Car:
'95 Prelude H23 SI with 160HP and 156TQ
Circumstances:
Equal mods (I/E and Piping)
Result:
Lancer wins.

This just totally proves that it's up to the driver. The '95 Prelude had *****, but the guy couldn't shift right. Numbers will only be proportional to the driver. So for all you guys that spend too much time looking at 1/4 times, and 0-60 times, don't take them seriously, because aside from the driver it also may be affected by a magazines image or the writer writing that spec.

--- Kei

 

Wow!