Max power on stock internals?(and other questions)
Max power on stock internals?(and other questions)
Sorry if I've missed this post, but a search brought up max boost over and over, but not max power.
What is the appproximate threshold of the stock internals?
What is the weak point?
Are headstuds needed to hold more boost, or will the internals fail before they are needed?
What kind of max power has been seen on street driven EVO's that are NOT using a stroker kit? Obviously a race built car, where reliabilty is not a factor, would make the most, but what has been seen on the streets?
Any links for some cars so I can view the setups of high power EVO's?
Thanks guys
What is the appproximate threshold of the stock internals?
What is the weak point?
Are headstuds needed to hold more boost, or will the internals fail before they are needed?
What kind of max power has been seen on street driven EVO's that are NOT using a stroker kit? Obviously a race built car, where reliabilty is not a factor, would make the most, but what has been seen on the streets?
Any links for some cars so I can view the setups of high power EVO's?
Thanks guys
Originally posted by Claudius
Usually people keep the held boost down to 1.4 bars, peaking to 1.5 - 1.6.
Usually people keep the held boost down to 1.4 bars, peaking to 1.5 - 1.6.
It is not just a power thing but how you get the power that determines what your engine will take. High bhp and low torque is not a problem, but torque can cause issues. From what I understand, put on a bigger turbo with lower boost will not stress the engine as much as a smaller turbo at higher boost. I wouldn't run more boost than Claudius mentions on standard internals.
In the UK there is at least 1 person getting over 380 bhp from standard internals. However, as a rule of thumb most people believe that to play safe, anything over about 360bhp warrants changing the internals. However, if your torque gets close to matching the bhp, you are probably running a risk if you go much over 350-60 ft/lbs of torque.
Luckily, not many have taken their engines to the point of destruction so it is hard to know for sure.
In the UK there is at least 1 person getting over 380 bhp from standard internals. However, as a rule of thumb most people believe that to play safe, anything over about 360bhp warrants changing the internals. However, if your torque gets close to matching the bhp, you are probably running a risk if you go much over 350-60 ft/lbs of torque.
Luckily, not many have taken their engines to the point of destruction so it is hard to know for sure.
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Originally posted by phatmonky
I realize this, but obviously different turbos are going to deliver a different amount of power, so what does that equate to in power levels? What can the internals handle? What fails?
I realize this, but obviously different turbos are going to deliver a different amount of power, so what does that equate to in power levels? What can the internals handle? What fails?
What kills the engine (rods) is a high torque level at mid range, when you floor it after a curve when rmps are at around 4.000.
We havent pushed it far enough to reach failure, but usually what I told you is a good rule of thumb. I read somewhere that a standard TME broke a rod after a test day, so I would take it easy until I get internals.
The boost levels I told you about equate to a max power output of about 340 - 360 bhp and torque levels of approx. 450 - 520 Nm.
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