You NEVER EVER EVER Buy a 1st year car, and this is why, 2.4? Please I would HATE to be an 08 Lancer Driver now. BUT I bet I could pick up a cheap one now.

 

i don't know too much about the motor but whats really the big deal about the 2.4l compared to the 2.0l besides a little increase in hp/torque compared to the 08 numbers?

i'm sure the $18k is without any options cus that how the 08 gts is and then once u start adding what u want it goes up like 3k and it'll probably go even higher for the 09 with more options being available now

i'm sure u're not the only one with that question lol

 

$18000..... ill jus get a used evo instead

 

traction control FTL

 

All I am going to do is get he headlamps forget everything else, 16 HP wow I added that with Intake and Exhaust, and headers.

 

Id rather have the 2.0L, not worth the extra 16hp in the stroked engine

 

It will probably use the same HID's as the Evo X, so it would make for a nice project to retrofit the entire projector housing to our Lancer 08's rather than just the bulbs.

 

sound like very nice improvement..

 

1st of all, no you wouldn't, especially in a N/A 4-Banger. 2nd of all it isn't just a measly peak 16HP, it is better through out the entire curve, it would be IMMEDIATELY noticable, night and day, especially the torque.

 

to be honest, i would rather be a 2.0 owner vs. 2.4 i rather have the compatibility of the evo engine vs. the 4b12. Of couse a 4b11t is made of sturner stuff, the application of a turbo would probably be easier to impliment and tune vs. the 2.4 But of course, that said, i am basing this on what is out or coming out right now. i dont wish to speculate on what they are doing for the rally art.

its just to confusing.

Traction control and stability control is nice, but it can also be a real spoiler as i found with the Lexus IS250. when you really want to let loose, it steps in and hampers the fun. Thank god they introduced a fix for it in the future year models and allowed the driver to disable those features in the start up sequence.

For the average driver its a welcome addition.

Dont get me wrong its a great addition to the family, but i was expecting a bit more performance with the added .4 litres. EVO x designers would have begged for that kinda gift and probably would have tuned out a propotional if not more power per litre increase.

I must admit i am not to familure with companies that do this in the second year of a redesign. a rally art version, sure or some other line branch I can see that. but when you do something like this , you bastardize all the people that bought in first year.

lol what can you do.

so far i am pretty impressed with the 08, lets see what the EVO X can do

 

second point i wanted to make is, I think Mitsu is starting to hang its hat where it can not reach if they continue to rapidly expand a new line of cars.

Flash back 25 years ago when they hit the ground running, they had problems and it was painful, a family friend who has worked with dodge/crys for 30 years almost had a heart attack when i told him we were buying some lancers in the summer. his flash back was to all the problems they had in the early days and the huge recalls.

I think mitsu is on the right track, but i think they are moving too fast and taking the shotgun approach to all this and seeing what sticks.

but meh, my 2 cents,

 

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Originally Posted by evo_soul

to be honest, i would rather be a 2.0 owner vs. 2.4 i rather have the compatibility of the evo engine vs. the 4b12. Of couse a 4b11t is made of sturner stuff, the application of a turbo would probably be easier to impliment and tune vs. the 2.4

That makes no sense.

 

What happened 25 years ago, was just that, 25 years ago. Mitsubishi was entering a brand new market for them, of course every company will have it's growing pains, look at Hyundai, even 10 years ago they were associated with cheap unreliable cars, look at them today, not only do they undercut the Japanese but also offer very reliable products, of course they still need to work on refinement but my point is that no car company will get it absolutely perfect from ground up.

Anyway, to all the people who are saying that they would rather have 2.0 vs 2.4l, or that 2.4l won't make any difference, what the hell are you smoking? There is no replacement for larger displacement, as High-PSI mentioned, the torque/HP curve is better throughout the entire power band and the MPG doesn't suffer all that mutch, to all of those that think they'll be able to slap an Evo X turbo to their existing 4B11 are dreaming, it will probably require a lot of reworking and funds.

Look at the European market and previous generation Lancer/Lancer Evo N/A 4G63 (which developed 135HP) and 4G63T, it really takes a lot of work to convert N/A 4G63 to the point that you are simply better off buying the 4G63T engine from the get go.

 

To comment on your first comment, 25 years ago is of course history, but all human beings and organizations are generally doomed to repeat mistakes. Huberous I think it is. My comment was that i think they are doing too much to quickly. but of course that is my perspective. I wouldnt have bough the car unless i thought it was a good investment, and so far it has been. I just hope Mitsu is successful in their very large push.

about the larger displacement, Larger displacement isnt always the winner. lol enter the Dodge Viper, that wonderful car is the king of overkill. having over 8Litre engine is alot of displacement. and dont get me wrong, the car is a performance beast in some respects. but give I think TOPGEAR UK summed it up well when they said, give that much cc's in the hands of a german engineer, the HP numbers maybe alot higher.

The point I was getting out with the 2.0 vs. the 2.4. I am slightly more confident in the 4b11 engine due to the research and development efforts that has gone into it, along with the research into the 4b11T variant which is fitted into the EVOX.

Of course the 4b12 (2.4) has been out longer with the outlander, but I am a little disapointed that the HP numbers couldnt have been beefier. If there is a PZEV spec version of this floating around then its going to probably be only a hair faster then the 2.0 Federal Spec 08.

Matter a fact i think i am going to look around to see what the outlander is for this year in cali

 

yeah and it'd cost 10x as much as well. one thing you have to remember is that the euro prices for american "supercars" like the viper and vette are VERY high compared to what we pay. so for THEM it's NOT a value, just a big engine, straight line speed (stereotypically), and crap interior. for us it's supercar performance at a non-supercar price.


the 4B12 is nothing more than a bored, stroked 4B11 with a balance shaft. to say one engine is better engineered than the other is crazy. and as others have said, the 4B11 is NOT so related to the 4B11T as you may think. besides much better internals, the 4B11T is semi-closed deck. there was a bunch of other differences that the mitsu press release mentioned also...

as for the 4B12's performance, there is absolutely NO problem in that area. firstly, the increased displacement is there for TORQUE not HP. the hp seems a bit low, but you have to remember, the lancer runs on regular gas. to get 180+ hp you almost require premium. NOT gonna happen on a stock NA lancer. the TQ increase is VERY nice. and don't even mention mods as the increased displacement will only make more power/tq than similar mods on the 4B11. as far as i can tell, only the sentra SE-R puts out better numbers than the 09 GTS. but imo the GTS is 100x better looking. so for 09 maybe we can have our cake and eat it too!