why? if the outlander is any clue we can turn ASC OFF if you really want. plus ASC has electronic traction control (TCL) that acts "like a LSD". ALL good if you ask me

 

First of all, you try to compare a Dodge engine to a Mercedes engine (two different companies), where Mitsubishi developed two engines for their own use using essentially the same technology.

Second of all, as MadFast mentioned, the 2.4l engine is mostly about better torque curve than HP, it will make a difference, if a 2008 manual tranny GTS can do 0-60 in 7.7 sec. then the 2.4l will probably be under 7.4-7.5 sec., all this while MSRP of 2009base GTS shouldn't increase by much, thats a nice little improvement. Also, larger displacement starts to play a huge role at higher speeds. I have ready that the latest BMW M3, while not improving the 0-60 time all that much compared to previous generation, the 120-160MPH acceleration was improved by over 5 seconds, now that is significant.

And third of all, going back to your Dodge vs german engineering TopGear comparison, I can't think of a more biased anti-USA show than TopGear and how they all praise anything that is British made To compare a 2008 Dodge Viper 8.4l engine to the newest 2008 AMG C63 (6.3l) engine, the Dodge engine produces 600HP (which gives about 71.3HP/L at a lower RPM than the compared AMG) and the Merc engine produces 457HP (which gives 72.5HP/L) so yeah, my comment about TopGear being anti-American stands.

 

Honestly, thinking about it today, here's my opinions.

1) I'm happy with my car. I don't give a damn about the 2.4L car. I like my car, I'm not going to cry over some crap that has no effect on my life.

2) I agree with evo soul - the 4B11 is going to see a TON of modification posibilities once the Evo X hits. If all I need to do is swap internals to make my car a turbo monster, then I'm happy as Hell about it.

3) It genuinely seems like the "GTS" is going to be a whole separate trim now. Like the RA was in 2004. You can get a crappy base model for 18k or you can fill it with options and probably spend as much as an Evo. I won't be surprised if 2008 GTS owners have more in common with 2009 DE and ES than they do 2009 GTS models.

 

so the rumored AWD and Turbo is just a rumor?

thats good. now i wont have to trade in my 08 and worry about being upside down on a trade

 

Actually Mitsubishi originally wanted to release a 2.4l GTS from the get go but due to their budget constraints they had to delay it.

As far as the rumored turbo AWD Ralliart goes, I don't think the 2.4l NA GTS is supposed to be it as it will probably cost just a bit more than the 2008 GTS. Base GTS starts at around $18.5K, base Evo X GSR is supposed to start at less than $34K, there is a nice wide price gap to fit in a car with a base price of around $24-26K in there, WRX competitor.

 

I think I see where you have taken my point off the road, I was attempting to make reference to something that everyone has access to watch on their own, no where did i say a dodge viper was comparible to the lancer in its current form, but actually I was making reference to what geman engineers would / could possibly do with as much displacement. It was a loose reference that I can see has drawn your attention.

Your reference to TOPGEAR being a anti american show lol NOTS NOT EVEN AN AMERICAN Production? anyways I have seen them rip into many cars and of course everyone on this earth is bias to some degree so your opinion of the show is noted but you should not discount TOPGEARS efforts for gather information on cars that I am sure you may or maynot have driven.

I find the show refreshing and a joy to watch. Do they rip into some cars and give them a neg review, sure but if your informed enough you know what you can take away as useful information.

And about anti american? when it comes to cars made in the USA I am very harsh myself, I wouldnt say i am anti american, but I rather perfer certain types of engineering vs. others. I look at the north american big three and I see 3 companies in trouble. With the wrong type of leadership and the wrong type of goals. And they all are paying for those mistakes now by having compeditors eating their lunch.

Europe has their house in order and are filling their local markets needs, Desiel is king over there, smaller is the way of life. Japan has refinement to their long running product lines and has a marketing model that works in their domestic market and also abroad.

Living in Canada and traveling to the states it is very easy to see the differences in the cars that canadians and americans drive. I dont like to make generalizing Macro economic statements but I would say that it is clear that the Japanese car companies will continue to grow until the big three start working together. If not I see Japanese firms attempting to buy out an american firm and have its well either the american market from within.

The most likely option is that either ford or GM will attempt to merge with crystler/dodge in an attempt to reclaim market share and restructure their game plan.

in the mean time, I sit back and watch.

 

but this isn't very logical. i mean fundamentally the block is semi-closed deck on the evo so right off the bat you may have issues with high boost. god knows what the head is like on both engines. do we have any specs whatsoever about valve sizes angles and other things that may make a big difference in the end? imo too early to tell. what i DO know is universal, 2.4L > 2.0L!!!

the only thing that sucks about the 2.4 is the long stroke and balance shaft is theoretically gonna make it less rev happy. but then again look at what honda does with the TSX. 99mm stroke but a 7k redline. the K series has a good rod ratio though so not exactly surprising. wonder how well the 4B11, 4B12 revs...

 

OT but i will say this about TOP GEAR, they are OVERTLY biased and you really don't get too much info out of them. every supercar is "epic" and every british car is awesome for one thing or another. or if the car isn't british they'll mention that it's built in britain, design by a brit, engineered by a brit, etc.

the same air of superiority is extended to anything european. japanese and american cars have to be super duper awesome to "impress" these lot of brits. they start out with a chip on their shoulder just because it isn't a euro car. i mean they LOVE to use the mustang in every comparo because they know it's heavy, fast only in a straight line, and quintessentially american. they want to make a point about how bad american cars are with the mustang and overlook great cars like the Z06, mosler, ultima GTR, etc. they're simply scared to admit euro cars aren't the be all and end all of the auto world. they make jokes when talking about the SSC breaking the speed record, etc, etc, etc....

it's fun to watch but to base anything on what their, or clarkson's, opinion is outright stupidity.

OTOH fifth gear is a bit more objective, a bit more informative, a bit less opinionated, and ultimately less entertaining...

 

They didn't overlook the Z06 (How could anyone???), they spoke rather highly about it. They liked the Cadillac CTS-V too. The Ultima GTR thing IS bull, though...the Top Gear guys should give credit where credits due.

I agree that they are biased about UK/Euro cars...but, for the most part, I also agree with their view on American cars. North American cars have been terrible for very long time...I think they lack any imagination or innovation and it looks like thats not going to change anytime soon. Does Europe have its crap cars? Hell yeah they do...Pugeot's and Citroen's are the biggest pieces of junk I've ever sat in.

They sing praise about Aston Martin, Lotus, Porsche, McLaren, etc. because they make some of the most well engineered cars on the planet. They also sing praise about those cars so that they don't have to talk about the absolute junk the EU churns out. And if its any consolation...the Top Gear guys are fans of BMW's. And who heads BMW's design team???...An AMERICAN!

 

I'm not saying that the Evo parts will be plug-n-play. But since the motors are the same basic setup, it's still going to be more compatible with Evo parts.

Also, you say 2.4L > 2.0L and then you proceed to comment about negative aspects of the 2.4L in your next sentence.

Look, you're overthinking the Hell out of this. I have the motor I have. I'm not going to trade my car in for a 2009. I enjoy what I have. I'm looking at the positive. I'm sorry if you don't like that.

 

im puzzled as why so many of you beleive this, coming from the same engine family line does not mean its the same engine but with reinforced internals. Its like slapping on aftermarket headers or a catback exhaust designed for STi's on a 2.5i, it doesnt work like that. By name, both engines are still called EJ25

The development of aftermarket parts for the evo x will most likely have no affect on the base lancers. Like seen with the sti and 2.5i

 

I am a little confused by your comment but maybe its because i didnt read it right.

BUt the 4b12 2.4 and the 4b11 2.0 are not compatible, or at least to my understanding of the two different engine blocks, performance upgrades and internals will be unlikely to cross over.

the 4b11T (EVOx) and 4b11 will mostlikely have interchangable parts for a more compatible turbo upgrading process.

 

But thats what he is saying, 4B11 and 4B11T won't be as interchangable as people may think because the 4B11T has been heavily modified/reinforced to stand much higher boost/power levels. Most people will simply be better off swapping entire engines (4B11T for 4B11) as it will probably be much more cost efficient not to mention time. Look at the previous generation European regular Lancer which had a NA 4g63 which produced 135HP and 4G63T found in Evos, they were so different that basically in order to have a 4G63T power levels out of a 4G63 NA Lancer, people were swapping entire engines.

 

While I agree with some of the stuff you say, price-wise, I don't think Americans have been that terrible compared to European counterparts. I mean Europe does have it's Ferraris, Bimmers, Benzes, but cars for average Joe are not much better than what we had in USA for years, maybe they look a bit better stylingwise but the quality of their products leaves a lot to be desired.

And a little side note, Chris Bangle is no longer chief design of BMW, he has been replaced by Adrian Von Hooydonk in 2004. Bangle is in the board of directors. Even the recent BMW X6 has been designed by Pierre LeClercq which would explain why I actually like the aesthetics of X6

 

yes they did speak pretty highly about the Z06 but ya know what, you HAVE TO. it's a GREAT car. great enough that these biased brits actually gave it its due. but of course they had to mention the crappy interior. and it must be noted that the Z06 is expensive if bought over there, so not a "performance bargain" like over here.

another thing that is glossed over a LOT of the time is cost of these cars. yeah they test veyrons and scuderias, but only 0.0001% of viewers actual own such cars. what the relevance of these reviews other than pure entertainment? so when we look for info about actual cars we buy like a civic or something, it gets compared to the speed of the scuderia, the luxury of a 7 series, the handling of the exige, etc. the show is SOOO irrelevant in terms of actual car reviews.

good fun, NOTHING more.