Still slow
Still slow
Alright, i have an auto es lancer, it has short ram intake, 2.25" catback with magnaflow muffler and kamikazi header w/ down pipe & rrm test pipe.
I havent ran a 0-60 time since the headers, but just by driving it, it doesnt feel like i've gotten anyfaster! still feels like the stock 9 or 10 second 0-60 mph time.
( with everything except test pipe ... i believe 0-60 was still like
9.3)
Does anyone have any ideas on why it is still this slow? I cant for the life of me figure it out, i mean granted its an auto and never will be that fast, but it still should not be a 9 second or 8.9 0-60 time with just about 1,000$ put into the car already. i would settle for a low 8 second time, but i dont think im anywhere near that.
Ideas/suggestions welcome.
Thanks guys & gals.
I havent ran a 0-60 time since the headers, but just by driving it, it doesnt feel like i've gotten anyfaster! still feels like the stock 9 or 10 second 0-60 mph time.
( with everything except test pipe ... i believe 0-60 was still like
9.3)
Does anyone have any ideas on why it is still this slow? I cant for the life of me figure it out, i mean granted its an auto and never will be that fast, but it still should not be a 9 second or 8.9 0-60 time with just about 1,000$ put into the car already. i would settle for a low 8 second time, but i dont think im anywhere near that.
Ideas/suggestions welcome.
Thanks guys & gals.
Wait a minute...
you bought a car with a 120HP 4 banger, putting about 95 to the ground using an automatic tranny, and you expect bolt ons to drop your 0 to 60 by 3 seconds?
The stock tested 0-60 ranges from 12.5 to 11 seconds. There is no way you should be seeing a 9 second 0-60. What are you using to test your speed? Handheld stopwatch...counting in your head, or something with an accelerometer like a G-Tech?
With my intake, I think I pull an 11.5 second 0-60. That was before the B&M but I don't suspect that will make up more than a couple of tenths.
you bought a car with a 120HP 4 banger, putting about 95 to the ground using an automatic tranny, and you expect bolt ons to drop your 0 to 60 by 3 seconds?
The stock tested 0-60 ranges from 12.5 to 11 seconds. There is no way you should be seeing a 9 second 0-60. What are you using to test your speed? Handheld stopwatch...counting in your head, or something with an accelerometer like a G-Tech?
With my intake, I think I pull an 11.5 second 0-60. That was before the B&M but I don't suspect that will make up more than a couple of tenths.
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Race someone that you raced before you had your mods and you'll see the difference with my short ram and 2.25 cat back I can keep up with my friends Manual Nissan Sentra SE that pushes 145 crank stock plus he has flow master exhaust ... he use to dust me but now I get him off the line and keep with him pretty good. I'm an auto also. 
Your friend driving the Sentra should have his car taken away if he can't keep up with a Lancer, manual or stock.
He must suck as a driver.......granny clutcher.
As for ILLLancer...get me some pics of those track receipts with those times......unless you did that time playing need for speed underground...I just don't see it happening.
He must suck as a driver.......granny clutcher.
As for ILLLancer...get me some pics of those track receipts with those times......unless you did that time playing need for speed underground...I just don't see it happening.
Originally posted by chiensejew
Race someone that you raced before you had your mods and you'll see the difference with my short ram and 2.25 cat back I can keep up with my friends Manual Nissan Sentra SE that pushes 145 crank stock plus he has flow master exhaust ... he use to dust me but now I get him off the line and keep with him pretty good. I'm an auto also.
Race someone that you raced before you had your mods and you'll see the difference with my short ram and 2.25 cat back I can keep up with my friends Manual Nissan Sentra SE that pushes 145 crank stock plus he has flow master exhaust ... he use to dust me but now I get him off the line and keep with him pretty good. I'm an auto also.
if u got that new piggy back rrm puts out, you will be zippin gaorudn nicely guarenteed, your car SHOULD be quick now, ihad relatively the same setup as you at one point in time, granted its not fast, but it is quick i bet, intake, header, and exhaust have only shown ot yeild about 10hp to the wheels, anyone who says more than 15 to wheels is a big fat liar
what can i say, you need to pay big to get big results :\
p.s. i raced a mazda6 when i had intake, headers, and exhaust, maybe he wasnt trying but i beat him, i believe that thing puts out 160 hp crank nad has no torque
what can i say, you need to pay big to get big results :\
p.s. i raced a mazda6 when i had intake, headers, and exhaust, maybe he wasnt trying but i beat him, i believe that thing puts out 160 hp crank nad has no torque
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I have to agree with sailor, no way are you seeing real 9sec numbers. Using my PDA Dyno which is hooked right up to the cars computer the best run I got was 11.3 0-60 time. My only engine mods are intake and exhaust. I sure I could make it a little lower with more runs but high 10's is probably the absolute best.
If you want to measure your performance the PDA dyno/scan tool is very accurate and helpful. On sale now. (sorry for the plug but you know..)
If you want to measure your performance the PDA dyno/scan tool is very accurate and helpful. On sale now. (sorry for the plug but you know..)
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Originally posted by Sailorgoon
Wait a minute...
you bought a car with a 120HP 4 banger, putting about 95 to the ground using an automatic tranny, and you expect bolt ons to drop your 0 to 60 by 3 seconds?
The stock tested 0-60 ranges from 12.5 to 11 seconds. There is no way you should be seeing a 9 second 0-60. What are you using to test your speed? Handheld stopwatch...counting in your head, or something with an accelerometer like a G-Tech?
With my intake, I think I pull an 11.5 second 0-60. That was before the B&M but I don't suspect that will make up more than a couple of tenths.
Wait a minute...
you bought a car with a 120HP 4 banger, putting about 95 to the ground using an automatic tranny, and you expect bolt ons to drop your 0 to 60 by 3 seconds?
The stock tested 0-60 ranges from 12.5 to 11 seconds. There is no way you should be seeing a 9 second 0-60. What are you using to test your speed? Handheld stopwatch...counting in your head, or something with an accelerometer like a G-Tech?
With my intake, I think I pull an 11.5 second 0-60. That was before the B&M but I don't suspect that will make up more than a couple of tenths.
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To anyone who doubts the effectiveness of bolt on modifications to this engine:
I am not claiming absurd gains, but the friendship between me and DaTenshi has proven to be an enormous testing ground. He has all sorts of modifications and growing, whereas i have only a K&N filter. His modifications include AEM CAI, Rhys Millen Racing Headers, and Magnaflow Axle back exhaust. We both run Mobil 1 Synthetic and (as far as shifting for drag and launching goes) we have almost the exact same skill level. We both have a 5 speed and run 87 Octane Shell gas from the same gas stations.
We have numerous, NUMEROUS test runs of all sort just driving around town together.
We have determined, that:
-His car pulls on mine on the highway absurdly. The difference is more than noticable. The top of 3rd gear, i get totally owned. He simply walks away from me. If we were next to eachother, by the time 80 mph comes around my front bumper is at his back.
-From a standing start, the launch is really what matters. If he jumps out on me, i lose no matter. Even if i jump out on him, by the top of 2nd gear he is on top of me. Each run we have is about a fender lengths difference, depending on other things of course. Something as small as who's side of the road the manhole is on tends to make the difference in our races of it being neck in neck or one over the other.
We have not hit the dyno nor the track, (so this is only comparative) although he really really wants to. I'm going to go with him to provide baseline runs, and will gladly share what we find.
Come spring, my TEIN suspension is going on his car when he goes to hit a road course. Then i will be completely stock, and we will be able to do true comparisons.
Although we can definitley see an immense difference, this would by no means equate to seconds off your 0-60 time. Your best bet to improve your 0-60, i say, would be a good set of tires and some light, appropriatley sized wheels.
And of course, practice launching and shifting.
I am not claiming absurd gains, but the friendship between me and DaTenshi has proven to be an enormous testing ground. He has all sorts of modifications and growing, whereas i have only a K&N filter. His modifications include AEM CAI, Rhys Millen Racing Headers, and Magnaflow Axle back exhaust. We both run Mobil 1 Synthetic and (as far as shifting for drag and launching goes) we have almost the exact same skill level. We both have a 5 speed and run 87 Octane Shell gas from the same gas stations.
We have numerous, NUMEROUS test runs of all sort just driving around town together.
We have determined, that:
-His car pulls on mine on the highway absurdly. The difference is more than noticable. The top of 3rd gear, i get totally owned. He simply walks away from me. If we were next to eachother, by the time 80 mph comes around my front bumper is at his back.
-From a standing start, the launch is really what matters. If he jumps out on me, i lose no matter. Even if i jump out on him, by the top of 2nd gear he is on top of me. Each run we have is about a fender lengths difference, depending on other things of course. Something as small as who's side of the road the manhole is on tends to make the difference in our races of it being neck in neck or one over the other.
We have not hit the dyno nor the track, (so this is only comparative) although he really really wants to. I'm going to go with him to provide baseline runs, and will gladly share what we find.
Come spring, my TEIN suspension is going on his car when he goes to hit a road course. Then i will be completely stock, and we will be able to do true comparisons.
Although we can definitley see an immense difference, this would by no means equate to seconds off your 0-60 time. Your best bet to improve your 0-60, i say, would be a good set of tires and some light, appropriatley sized wheels.
And of course, practice launching and shifting.
Last edited by OneEyedJack; Dec 30, 2003 at 02:08 PM.
Yhea, that's the problem. The intake alone robs you of so much low-end torque that you might even run a 0-60 slower than stock.
Jack, on the highway, in the powerband, yes...you will see a major difference as the number of mod increases. It's all about what speed you're currently going, and how many revs you're pushing.
At a standstill, 0-60 performance with basic bolt ons, the car will behave like a very large slug, but without the cool slime.
After 4000RPM, that's where the power starts to come on, especially true for long puls like you get with 3rd.
Jack, on the highway, in the powerband, yes...you will see a major difference as the number of mod increases. It's all about what speed you're currently going, and how many revs you're pushing.
At a standstill, 0-60 performance with basic bolt ons, the car will behave like a very large slug, but without the cool slime.
After 4000RPM, that's where the power starts to come on, especially true for long puls like you get with 3rd.
well our autos can do 65ish mph in 2nd gear...
so we can get to 60 still in 2nd, and well were above 4k for a while getting there.
id like to see some #'s from those 3 basic bolt-ons, and a hi-flow cat or test pipe to get an idea of the 1/4mi. for our car. albeit, 9 out of 10 races i partake in our to 50-70 mph from a standstill...so im more interested in 0-60 than 1/4mi. and i like handling to.
so we can get to 60 still in 2nd, and well were above 4k for a while getting there.
id like to see some #'s from those 3 basic bolt-ons, and a hi-flow cat or test pipe to get an idea of the 1/4mi. for our car. albeit, 9 out of 10 races i partake in our to 50-70 mph from a standstill...so im more interested in 0-60 than 1/4mi. and i like handling to.
