RALLI-ART Seats!!!
Originally Posted by CityKnight
...and explain how stock ES Seats are safer?
They dont support the driver, and their bolted down equally if not worse, than how Id bolt down my seats, oh! and they weigh a sh!tload more too...
RRM overcharges, I can weld the same strut bar they do and paint it red also, and it wont cost me 85 bucks...
Btw about the Mitsu does better "testing" comment...
If ya crash youre gettin f*cked up. Period.
More-so however, testing doesnt mean **** (in this case)... you ever heard of crush points/zones?
Their little dimples under the hood ontop the fenders, where when you crash, they cause the car to crumple up at these points, so the crushing of your car "absorbs the impact"... Well, tho it may do that, your losing your ride regardless, and car companies take advantage of this so you have to buy another car, and they do it in the name of "safety".
I dont think your stock seats are anything too special there, believe me!
Its cheap foam 1st of all, with a faux-suede cover stitched over top & a frame, then bolted down (which is the only effective part about it)... there arent any special features other than the checkered design pattern thats on it... thats it!
Its the same ******* thing... lol
You missed my point... If you read, youda seen that Im well aware its not really Ralli-Art. Any idiot knows that. No, it doesnt make you feel (well "me") that their any better other than aesthetically.
Maybe their APC quality (and perhaps this is what you meant, just wrong about which part) but their NOT APC, nor Pep-Boys... So that part does make me feel better, kinda like when ya eat "Fat Free" Dressing on your salad, but y'know its still fattening!
Lastly, My work aint "suctom" so watch who your talkin to like that, cus I didnt come talkin' that **** your way, or disrespectin' you for no reason did I?
Marcos M. Duarte
They dont support the driver, and their bolted down equally if not worse, than how Id bolt down my seats, oh! and they weigh a sh!tload more too...
RRM overcharges, I can weld the same strut bar they do and paint it red also, and it wont cost me 85 bucks...
Btw about the Mitsu does better "testing" comment...
If ya crash youre gettin f*cked up. Period.
More-so however, testing doesnt mean **** (in this case)... you ever heard of crush points/zones?
Their little dimples under the hood ontop the fenders, where when you crash, they cause the car to crumple up at these points, so the crushing of your car "absorbs the impact"... Well, tho it may do that, your losing your ride regardless, and car companies take advantage of this so you have to buy another car, and they do it in the name of "safety".
I dont think your stock seats are anything too special there, believe me!
Its cheap foam 1st of all, with a faux-suede cover stitched over top & a frame, then bolted down (which is the only effective part about it)... there arent any special features other than the checkered design pattern thats on it... thats it!
Its the same ******* thing... lol
You missed my point... If you read, youda seen that Im well aware its not really Ralli-Art. Any idiot knows that. No, it doesnt make you feel (well "me") that their any better other than aesthetically.
Maybe their APC quality (and perhaps this is what you meant, just wrong about which part) but their NOT APC, nor Pep-Boys... So that part does make me feel better, kinda like when ya eat "Fat Free" Dressing on your salad, but y'know its still fattening!
Lastly, My work aint "suctom" so watch who your talkin to like that, cus I didnt come talkin' that **** your way, or disrespectin' you for no reason did I?
Marcos M. Duarte
As for making a blow at RRM, if you can make strut bars, why don't you? Lots of people seem to like to bash RRM, but when it comes time, they quickly duck and hide when they realize they do not have nearly the same knowledge as the RRM boys.
Originally Posted by N1te
why wouldnt the seats pep boys sells be better than ebay generic seats? at least that way you'd have a company to sue if you crashed and got injured because of the seats
Eh, its just the whole thinga about, ignorance is bliss EG:
I know their generic but I dont know the company that made'em which gives ya the benefit o the doubt, that they were made well... but when You "know" you got APC or Peppies then You "know" you got ****. Thus you feel like **** basically.
Anyway, I was more bothered about being talked **** to for no reason, when I didnt do that to anyone else, but Ill take what was said in reply as an apology,
so water under the bridge...
Marcos M. Duarte
I did make my own strut bar actually, front and back. 
Im not dissin' RRM's work. Re-read, all I said was their over priced. Thats all.
I do care about my safety to a degree, Takata 5 point harnesses work well, when you dont have an airbag, and thats the point of modding, to make a better vehicle. I trust TEIN Dampers and my Wider tires to keep me from flipping or swaying off coarse on the highway, more than I do stock shocks springs and tires.
Same goes for the smaller diameter steering wheel that tightend my cornering by decreasing the turning ratio.
I still dont see how the stock seats are safer... all this testing by they dont test the seat itself, its bolted down, what else makes it safe? I got a generic seat thats bolted down just as well AND it guards my sides and holds my in place, which the stocks dont...
You dont think the stock seats on the ES (Economy Sedan) are cheap?
I disagree.
I could be wrong about all this, if you give me facts, then Ill admit it like "ok, that makes sense, Im wrong and now I know better." but Ill need that pardigm shift or else Im sticking to my logic.
Im not saying "Youre wrong", Im saying "I disagree", theres a difference.
Marcos M. Duarte
Im not dissin' RRM's work. Re-read, all I said was their over priced. Thats all.
I do care about my safety to a degree, Takata 5 point harnesses work well, when you dont have an airbag, and thats the point of modding, to make a better vehicle. I trust TEIN Dampers and my Wider tires to keep me from flipping or swaying off coarse on the highway, more than I do stock shocks springs and tires.
Same goes for the smaller diameter steering wheel that tightend my cornering by decreasing the turning ratio.
I still dont see how the stock seats are safer... all this testing by they dont test the seat itself, its bolted down, what else makes it safe? I got a generic seat thats bolted down just as well AND it guards my sides and holds my in place, which the stocks dont...
You dont think the stock seats on the ES (Economy Sedan) are cheap?
I disagree.
I could be wrong about all this, if you give me facts, then Ill admit it like "ok, that makes sense, Im wrong and now I know better." but Ill need that pardigm shift or else Im sticking to my logic.
Im not saying "Youre wrong", Im saying "I disagree", theres a difference.
Marcos M. Duarte
Yeah its simply a lost cause, next it'll be how the harnesses work wonders bolted to the floor, or how the racing seats will be great in a roll over, ignorance is indeed bliss, I wish I had that gift.
Originally Posted by CityKnight
I did make my own strut bar actually, front and back.
Im not dissin' RRM's work. Re-read, all I said was their over priced. Thats all.
I do care about my safety to a degree, Takata 5 point harnesses work well, when you dont have an airbag, and thats the point of modding, to make a better vehicle. I trust TEIN Dampers and my Wider tires to keep me from flipping or swaying off coarse on the highway, more than I do stock shocks springs and tires.
Same goes for the smaller diameter steering wheel that tightend my cornering by decreasing the turning ratio.
I still dont see how the stock seats are safer... all this testing by they dont test the seat itself, its bolted down, what else makes it safe? I got a generic seat thats bolted down just as well AND it guards my sides and holds my in place, which the stocks dont...
You dont think the stock seats on the ES (Economy Sedan) are cheap?
I disagree.
I could be wrong about all this, if you give me facts, then Ill admit it like "ok, that makes sense, Im wrong and now I know better." but Ill need that pardigm shift or else Im sticking to my logic.
Im not saying "Youre wrong", Im saying "I disagree", theres a difference.
Marcos M. Duarte
Im not dissin' RRM's work. Re-read, all I said was their over priced. Thats all.
I do care about my safety to a degree, Takata 5 point harnesses work well, when you dont have an airbag, and thats the point of modding, to make a better vehicle. I trust TEIN Dampers and my Wider tires to keep me from flipping or swaying off coarse on the highway, more than I do stock shocks springs and tires.
Same goes for the smaller diameter steering wheel that tightend my cornering by decreasing the turning ratio.
I still dont see how the stock seats are safer... all this testing by they dont test the seat itself, its bolted down, what else makes it safe? I got a generic seat thats bolted down just as well AND it guards my sides and holds my in place, which the stocks dont...
You dont think the stock seats on the ES (Economy Sedan) are cheap?
I disagree.
I could be wrong about all this, if you give me facts, then Ill admit it like "ok, that makes sense, Im wrong and now I know better." but Ill need that pardigm shift or else Im sticking to my logic.
Im not saying "Youre wrong", Im saying "I disagree", theres a difference.
Marcos M. Duarte
Originally Posted by blackmantis
ebay seat companies don't have to pass safety standard tests. Mitsubishi does, and so do real brands like Sparco, Bride, Recaro. you make think u have safe seats but you will be thinking differently when your @ss flies through the windshield because the person who made your seats decided to get sloppy on the weld job.
No I wouldnt bolt harnesses to the floor, I know better.
It was an expression, Im not actually ignorant Amby or whatever the F*ck your name is... I spoke 3 languages fluently by the time I was 4, & now speak 6, mastered 7 musical instruments, been to more countries than you can probably name, started my own company from the ground up, mastered 6 Martial Art styles from begining at age 3 written and had published a book when I was 14, and... you can do or maybe have done... hmm, I bet not even a quarter of what I mentioned, nor your buddy up there either.
Oh and Im only 23 btw...
Good choice in not arguing with me, you cocky punk... funny how every mechanic/car enthusiast thinks he knows so much, its like an inate masculine need to be superior... you should probably work on that before your car, it builds character.
Just to keep on topic, what absolute best of quality parts do you guys have your cars adorned with?
Marcos M. Duarte
Last edited by CityKnight; Nov 2, 2005 at 12:53 AM.
K City its this simple, if you do not listen to the advice of racing teams (note I am not saying me since I often talk out of my ***), racing administrations and simple common sense, you are being ignorant, you are dismissing the knowledge of people a lot more experienced that you in favour of embracing a lie. I don't care if you can speak 3 languages or even if you can kick my ***, it is still ignorant and naive to think that ebay seats are safer than stock seats, its a very very simple idea. I couldn't care less about your "accomplishments" because I don't know you, and as far as I know your talking out of your *** as well or you're simply another GW. Funny how people assume you're a "cocky punk" when you point out the obvious......
Most of this arguing and comments from other users on the boards is just out of a general concern for the well being of an evom member and hoping u don't get hurt for something that could have been prevented or not... which is the issue in discussion. Look at the brighter side of things though we don't want you getting hurt.
I understand all of that, however I NEVER said that I think these seats are in fact safer than stock seats... I didnt speak in an absolute.
What I did say however, is that I wanted some facts of about the testing thats done, and about the seat itself. Which was pointed out by Mantis that the welds are measured... good point, as I said.
I also said that the stock seats seam cheap being that their made simply of foam and metal etc (however I explained it, go re-read) and that it seamed logical that a seat of similar materials, but had an added feature like side protection, would be 1 more plus, no?
Sooo... in result, I never said anyones wrong or that I didnt belive anyones advice or input.
I simply asked for more/better info, and made a hypothisis based on what I knew so far... Therefore I am not ignorant, nor did I make any ignorant statements.
Marcos M. Duarte
PS:
I didnt lie about my accomplishments, call me egotistical but I think I have somethng to be proud of, and when I feel challenged Im reassured by reminding myself of what Im capable of.
Again, to stay on topic... Get ready for Irony!!!
The company emailed me saying that they returned the seats to the factory because there was a defect, and they want to send me good quality condition seats, so the new/better ones will be shipped in 3 days.
Im dead serious...
What I did say however, is that I wanted some facts of about the testing thats done, and about the seat itself. Which was pointed out by Mantis that the welds are measured... good point, as I said.
I also said that the stock seats seam cheap being that their made simply of foam and metal etc (however I explained it, go re-read) and that it seamed logical that a seat of similar materials, but had an added feature like side protection, would be 1 more plus, no?
Sooo... in result, I never said anyones wrong or that I didnt belive anyones advice or input.
I simply asked for more/better info, and made a hypothisis based on what I knew so far... Therefore I am not ignorant, nor did I make any ignorant statements.
Marcos M. Duarte
PS:
I didnt lie about my accomplishments, call me egotistical but I think I have somethng to be proud of, and when I feel challenged Im reassured by reminding myself of what Im capable of.
Again, to stay on topic... Get ready for Irony!!!
The company emailed me saying that they returned the seats to the factory because there was a defect, and they want to send me good quality condition seats, so the new/better ones will be shipped in 3 days.
Im dead serious...
Last edited by CityKnight; Nov 2, 2005 at 11:16 PM.
This got wayyyyyy out of hand. Hope you enjoy the seat man. Good job on the DIY work. hope you do more in the upcoming years. Be sure to post pics of what it looks like when you get your new seats. Peace
Originally Posted by CityKnight
Ah ok, now examining the actuall welding on the seat, now thats a point I do believe makes a difference... Good one Mantis
No I wouldnt bolt harnesses to the floor, I know better.
It was an expression, Im not actually ignorant Amby or whatever the F*ck your name is... I spoke 3 languages fluently by the time I was 4, & now speak 6, mastered 7 musical instruments, been to more countries than you can probably name, started my own company from the ground up, mastered 6 Martial Art styles from begining at age 3 written and had published a book when I was 14, and... you can do or maybe have done... hmm, I bet not even a quarter of what I mentioned, nor your buddy up there either.
Oh and Im only 23 btw...
Good choice in not arguing with me, you cocky punk... funny how every mechanic/car enthusiast thinks he knows so much, its like an inate masculine need to be superior... you should probably work on that before your car, it builds character.
Just to keep on topic, what absolute best of quality parts do you guys have your cars adorned with?
Marcos M. Duarte
No I wouldnt bolt harnesses to the floor, I know better.
It was an expression, Im not actually ignorant Amby or whatever the F*ck your name is... I spoke 3 languages fluently by the time I was 4, & now speak 6, mastered 7 musical instruments, been to more countries than you can probably name, started my own company from the ground up, mastered 6 Martial Art styles from begining at age 3 written and had published a book when I was 14, and... you can do or maybe have done... hmm, I bet not even a quarter of what I mentioned, nor your buddy up there either.
Oh and Im only 23 btw...
Good choice in not arguing with me, you cocky punk... funny how every mechanic/car enthusiast thinks he knows so much, its like an inate masculine need to be superior... you should probably work on that before your car, it builds character.
Just to keep on topic, what absolute best of quality parts do you guys have your cars adorned with?
Marcos M. Duarte
those accomplishments have nothing to do about how much knowledge you have about car safety. you're the cocky punk because have to post all that irrelavent info on here just to make your self feel/look big.
Also, you can buy cheap parts, but don't compromise quality for price where it counts.
Last edited by twisty1251; Nov 3, 2005 at 09:55 AM.
Originally Posted by twisty1251
if your soooo smart, how come your driving a Lancer ES?
Also, you can buy cheap parts, but don't compromise quality for price where it counts.
Also, you can buy cheap parts, but don't compromise quality for price where it counts.
Thats my question too. Why are you driving a lancer es then?
