Rear Tie Bars!!
Jul 1, 2004, 07:38 PM
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I have a question. I dafinately can not do the rear strut brace. I need my trunk because I have a son and wife and we travel and space is tight as is. I was going to get the Progress rear sway bar and your perches. Would it make a difference getting the tie bars as well ? On the front I have Eibachs and the RRM k bar. Please pm me with the answer. Thanks alot !
BTW, I have a 02 OZ.
BTW, I have a 02 OZ.
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Jul 1, 2004, 08:15 PM
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the more the merrier 
Seriously though, everything does a little different something.
First, I hope you have the eibachs all the way around. Having springs that aren't matched is a bad thing, and no amount of bar is going to fix the bizarre handling mis-matched springs will give. Ok, done with that
The sway bar acts as a connector between the middle of the control arms. Basically when the left side goes up, the bar tries to take the right side up with it, which is just about impossible. So the bar torques back on the side that's rising up, effectively pushing it back down, keeping your tires on the road more effectively. Check out the pic: http://www.chris-longhurst.com/carbi...ion_bible.html
The tie bar "ties" the two control arms together at their fulcrums. See if you crawl under the car and look at that support that holds the two rear control arms, you'll notice a few things. First, there's a fat rubber bushing holding the bolt for the arm. Rubber is squishy. Second, if you look closely, you'll see that the bolt rests in a channel, not a hole. This channel allows the bolt to slide a little.
The tie bar helps eliminate movement of the arm. Why is this good? Because when your control arms move toward each other, away from each other, or move together to one side, it changes the geometry of your suspension, and messes with the camber of the tires. Camber changes effect how well your tires can grip. Most suspensions are set up to maximize grip in a straight line. Turns generally equate to less grip. Turns in conjunction with a tire that's rolling in or out give even less grip.
The strut brace does something similar by bracing the top of the box that's made by the two struts and the control arms. Make finger guns. Now, touch your thumbs together tip to tip (looks like this |_| ) Add a strut braice and voila- a closed box.
Ok dinner's ready and I'm starving... so in short, yes, it will make a difference. let me know if this doesn't quite answer your questions.
Seriously though, everything does a little different something.First, I hope you have the eibachs all the way around. Having springs that aren't matched is a bad thing, and no amount of bar is going to fix the bizarre handling mis-matched springs will give. Ok, done with that
The sway bar acts as a connector between the middle of the control arms. Basically when the left side goes up, the bar tries to take the right side up with it, which is just about impossible. So the bar torques back on the side that's rising up, effectively pushing it back down, keeping your tires on the road more effectively. Check out the pic: http://www.chris-longhurst.com/carbi...ion_bible.html
The tie bar "ties" the two control arms together at their fulcrums. See if you crawl under the car and look at that support that holds the two rear control arms, you'll notice a few things. First, there's a fat rubber bushing holding the bolt for the arm. Rubber is squishy. Second, if you look closely, you'll see that the bolt rests in a channel, not a hole. This channel allows the bolt to slide a little.
The tie bar helps eliminate movement of the arm. Why is this good? Because when your control arms move toward each other, away from each other, or move together to one side, it changes the geometry of your suspension, and messes with the camber of the tires. Camber changes effect how well your tires can grip. Most suspensions are set up to maximize grip in a straight line. Turns generally equate to less grip. Turns in conjunction with a tire that's rolling in or out give even less grip.
The strut brace does something similar by bracing the top of the box that's made by the two struts and the control arms. Make finger guns. Now, touch your thumbs together tip to tip (looks like this |_| ) Add a strut braice and voila- a closed box.
Ok dinner's ready and I'm starving... so in short, yes, it will make a difference. let me know if this doesn't quite answer your questions.
Jul 2, 2004, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by blk02oz
I have a question. I dafinately can not do the rear strut brace. I need my trunk because I have a son and wife and we travel and space is tight as is. I was going to get the Progress rear sway bar and your perches. Would it make a difference getting the tie bars as well ? On the front I have Eibachs and the RRM k bar. Please pm me with the answer. Thanks alot !
BTW, I have a 02 OZ.
BTW, I have a 02 OZ.
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Jul 27, 2004, 10:08 AM
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It's been a couple weeks, so here's a little bump 
These are selling fast and people are loving them
A brave brave Evo owner in NorCal gave this a shot and they do not fit the Evo.... I'd like to take this one off his hands, so if you're in Cali, give oldmanevo a PM and see if you two can't work something out... I know it's never been used and probably never even touched the car. Thanks OldManEvo!
These are selling fast and people are loving themA brave brave Evo owner in NorCal gave this a shot and they do not fit the Evo.... I'd like to take this one off his hands, so if you're in Cali, give oldmanevo a PM and see if you two can't work something out... I know it's never been used and probably never even touched the car. Thanks OldManEvo!
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Jul 31, 2004, 11:01 PM
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Seriously folks!!! Why pay more? Let's say you want the fancy chameleon paint for your tie bar that no one will ever see (because you're already lowered and you're moving too fast, right ) If you buy my bar, plus shipping and the cost of a chameleon paint kit, you still come out ahead.
$37 shipped anywhere in the USA!! If these things didn't work I A) wouldn't sell them to you and B) wouldn't race with one on.
) If you buy my bar, plus shipping and the cost of a chameleon paint kit, you still come out ahead.$37 shipped anywhere in the USA!! If these things didn't work I A) wouldn't sell them to you and B) wouldn't race with one on.
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