F0rcedFed

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Alright well more rumors float up as to what powerplant the Mazdaspeed3 will have, most say the same as the Mazdaspeed6 but how in the world can Edmunds report state those specs, and also say "0-60 in the low 6's"... it just does NOT make sense, the Mazdaspeed6 was disapointing I don't care what it's purpose, all those ponies... AWD and it still ran a 14.8!!! EW!. Now the Mazdaspeed3 of 2003.5 was a nice car, styled sweetly, handled almost as well as an EVO most say, one of the best handling FWD cars EVER. Too bad it was an underpowered 160Hp Turbo, the same with the Mazdaspeed Miata... $26-28k... TURBO! SWEET, BUT 185 rated horse... common now, wtf Mazda. Now if this Mazdaspeed3 is made in a sedan and not just that 5 door crap, handles like it's old Mazdaspeed3 and can put down mid to low 14's and be fairly moddable then damn sweet car, HOWEVER I hope it doesn't have too much Ford in it... BLAHK!

FlLancer

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Are you sure the MS Protege is 160hp....? The mazda 3 is 160 N/A. I think the mazda 3 hatch is hot.

F0rcedFed

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It's around there, I think.

EvoJutsu

i thought mazda 3 was around like 120-140 n/a hp and the mazda 6 is around 160 HP?? not sure though?

bobaab

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the new Mazda3 hatches all come with a 2.3L 4 cylinder engine outputting 160hp. The i trim of the 4 door 3's comes with a 2L 150hp engine.

the MS3 (Mazdaspeed 3) is supposed to have a turbo engine outputting 250hp or so. I believe it's going to be the same engine that comes in the MS6.

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showt...hp?t=123627269

EDIT: and the Mazda6 comes with the 2.3L engine that come with the Mazda3's, or you can upgrade to the Ford V6 engine outputting 215hp. Then you can go a step further with the MS6 with the 2.3L turbo engine outputting 274hp.

EvoJutsu

i see

FlLancer

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The mazdaspeed protege is 170hp... That's pretty sad actually. Only 10hp more than the mazda 3 and it's turbocharged!

http://www.motortrend.com/features/n...ews030307_maz/

Arithmetic

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Fire who ever gave you or where you read your info. The car is capable of running low 14's (14.3 to be exact). 14.8? So your saying I could beat a MS6? Get out of here!

xjapx

The Mazdaspeed Miata was only set at 7.3 PSI. You're comparing apples to oranges. The Mazdaspeed variants are sportier versions of their existing lineup, where-as the Evo was bred to be what it was through years of development as a homologation for WRC. A lot of people are complaining about the MS6, saying it isn't a rival to the Evo or the STi. They're right, since with it's appointments and standard features it's more geared as a rival for the Legacy GT. From what I've read, MS3 will only be in the 5 door. The only real competition I can see for the MS3 is the WRX and the SRT-4. the 3 is roomier then a WRX, and a hell of a lot better looking then the SRT-4, Neon or Caliber.

And stop calling the Mazdaspeed Protege the 3. 3 replaced the Protege at the end of the 03 model year. This will be the first Mazdaspeed variant of the 3.

Evolution Racer

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I completely agree with xjapx. I work for a Mazda dealership like I have said so many times before. The Mazdaspeed3's 2.3 DISI Turbocharged engine is very similar to the Mazdaspeed6. However, the Mazdaspeed3's drivetrain is much closer to the FWD CX-7 as well as the tuning of the engine. The CX-7 is also a 2.3 DISI Turbo rated at 244hp and 250Ib/ft. Now the tuning of these cars might be different because of the air/fuel ratio. Each car as a different curve of power and torque. One of the reasons why the Mazdaspeed Protege only had 170 horses even though it had a turbocharger was because of its small displacement. Notice the cars aren't tuned for high power but rather driveability.
If you have driven a Mazdaspeed6, you will notice that all the power and torque comes in at around 3000RPMs much different from our Evos and even the STi. It has 276hp and 280Ib/ft all at 3000 like I said. But unfortunately, the weight of the car makes it much slower than our cars. There is definitely a lot more sound proofing in the cars, it is also a bigger car to begin with (midsize vs small size). The car itself is more luxurious than our Evo. Even with the Sun and Sound package, the Evo is lighter than the Mazdaspeed6 Grand Touring.

And regarding your Ford statement, these cars are designed and built in Japan. It may share some parts with Ford Motor Cars, but in reality, a lot of different pats are carried over in different companies. For example, the K04 turbo in the Mazdaspeed3, Mazdaspeed6 and the CX-7 are also used in Audi's and VW's lineup. Ford has only begun in using Mazda parts that are going to be replaced soon. An example of that can be seen in the Ford Fusion, Lincoln Zephyr as well as the Mercury Milan. These new vehicles are build of the Mazda6 which is due to be replaced in 07 by a completely redesigned vehicle. The Volvo S40, is built off or based on the Mazda3. Parts sharing doesn't mean it is doomed to fail, its a matter of how to use the parts.

MarcioTheGreat

Here this guy broke the 13s in his MS6
http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=41438.0

Mazdaspeed3

Gear Ratios
1st 3.538
2nd 2.238
3rd 1.535
4th 1.171
5th 1.085
6th 0.853
Final drive ratio (1st - 4th) 3.941
Final drive ratio (5th – 6th) 3.350
Reverse 3.831
Performance
Top Speed** km/h 250
Acceleration***
0-100 km/h (sec) 6.1
50-100 km/h in 3rd gear (sec) 4.2
80-120 km/h in 5th gear (sec) 5.4
Fuel consumption*
Combined l/100 km 9.7

It has 246 hp and 284 ft-lbs. of torque.

3000ways

Have any of you heard about the power loss issues and mazdaspeeds, especially the MSP 6. If the MSP 3 is anything like the 6, your in for a lot of frustration and anger if you purchase that vehicle. Seriously people considering MazdaSpeeds should read up on this.

MarcioTheGreat

EDIT: sorry i misread what you said, the powerloss issue will be fixed in an upcoming PCM update.

So no need to worry.

3000ways

http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?showforum=18

^Yup, here is a link to the MazdaSpeed 6 forum, read through the threads and you'll find many topics and discussions about this issue. There is even talk of a possible lawsuit against Mazda if they choose to overlook the problem which so far has effected approx. half of the MSP 6 owners and the Protege owners also suffer similiar issues, but do not speak up about it as much.

We are not talking about a 20-30HP loss here, were talking about a HP loss that comes and goes and turns the MSP 6 from a high 13s/low 14s car in a 92 Civic hatchback. Yes the powerloss is that dramatic.

MarcioTheGreat

yeah read my edit, you posted like one minute after i changed it! LOL!