2007 Sky Redline, S2000 Knockout???
Originally Posted by Grav
Oh yes, because the Mitsu logo is just so cool.
Did you know they changed the front badging on the evo because they felt it looked too much like a *pontiac*?
Did you know that the term badge and grille or nose mean entirely different things? The badge did not change at all.
Good going! At least this is a proper sports car.... 2 doors!
The last bastion of defense for people with slower cars.
S2000 killer? Not even close.
Specs aren't all it takes to handle well, I'd expect most to know that. What makes a S2000 a S2000 isn't just that it has fantastics specs on a piece of paper, it's the steering response and feedback, the overall feel when you are driving the car.
The truth is to you evo/saturn/sti/whatever owners, you really don't know what the s2000 is about unless you drive one everyday for a month. You won't even care about the lack of speed, even if you come directly from an evo. I'm not a s2000 fanboy, I'm just tired of the bashing about absolutely nothing.
The S2000 is NATURALLY ASPIRATED WITH 240 HORSEPOWER, 9000 RPM. It doesn't get all the reviewers jumping up and down for no reason. A supercharger at 8psi puts it at about 300 at the wheels. Now it won't win from a dig against an awd with the same horsepower, but on the highway it will very easily be able to hang with the contenders, and most likely be faster due to its light weight.
Take an S2000 with the power specs as the evo you are comparing it against, throw them on a track, ANY track, and see who wins.
Ridiculous comparing a 20psi turbo against a NA engine, then bragging about how your car was a bit faster on the highway, failing to even mention what happened once you got off the freeway and followed the s2000 into the mountains. This would be all in stock form btw.
But ON topic, that thing is hideous. End of story.
Specs aren't all it takes to handle well, I'd expect most to know that. What makes a S2000 a S2000 isn't just that it has fantastics specs on a piece of paper, it's the steering response and feedback, the overall feel when you are driving the car.
The truth is to you evo/saturn/sti/whatever owners, you really don't know what the s2000 is about unless you drive one everyday for a month. You won't even care about the lack of speed, even if you come directly from an evo. I'm not a s2000 fanboy, I'm just tired of the bashing about absolutely nothing.
The S2000 is NATURALLY ASPIRATED WITH 240 HORSEPOWER, 9000 RPM. It doesn't get all the reviewers jumping up and down for no reason. A supercharger at 8psi puts it at about 300 at the wheels. Now it won't win from a dig against an awd with the same horsepower, but on the highway it will very easily be able to hang with the contenders, and most likely be faster due to its light weight.
Take an S2000 with the power specs as the evo you are comparing it against, throw them on a track, ANY track, and see who wins.
Ridiculous comparing a 20psi turbo against a NA engine, then bragging about how your car was a bit faster on the highway, failing to even mention what happened once you got off the freeway and followed the s2000 into the mountains. This would be all in stock form btw.
But ON topic, that thing is hideous. End of story.
debat that here. http://www.skylinegtr.us
S2000 killer? Not even close.
Specs aren't all it takes to handle well, I'd expect most to know that. What makes a S2000 a S2000 isn't just that it has fantastics specs on a piece of paper, it's the steering response and feedback, the overall feel when you are driving the car.
The truth is to you evo/saturn/sti/whatever owners, you really don't know what the s2000 is about unless you drive one everyday for a month. You won't even care about the lack of speed, even if you come directly from an evo. I'm not a s2000 fanboy, I'm just tired of the bashing about absolutely nothing.
The S2000 is NATURALLY ASPIRATED WITH 240 HORSEPOWER, 9000 RPM. It doesn't get all the reviewers jumping up and down for no reason. A supercharger at 8psi puts it at about 300 at the wheels. Now it won't win from a dig against an awd with the same horsepower, but on the highway it will very easily be able to hang with the contenders, and most likely be faster due to its light weight.
Take an S2000 with the power specs as the evo you are comparing it against, throw them on a track, ANY track, and see who wins.
Ridiculous comparing a 20psi turbo against a NA engine, then bragging about how your car was a bit faster on the highway, failing to even mention what happened once you got off the freeway and followed the s2000 into the mountains. This would be all in stock form btw.
But ON topic, that thing is hideous. End of story.
Specs aren't all it takes to handle well, I'd expect most to know that. What makes a S2000 a S2000 isn't just that it has fantastics specs on a piece of paper, it's the steering response and feedback, the overall feel when you are driving the car.
The truth is to you evo/saturn/sti/whatever owners, you really don't know what the s2000 is about unless you drive one everyday for a month. You won't even care about the lack of speed, even if you come directly from an evo. I'm not a s2000 fanboy, I'm just tired of the bashing about absolutely nothing.
The S2000 is NATURALLY ASPIRATED WITH 240 HORSEPOWER, 9000 RPM. It doesn't get all the reviewers jumping up and down for no reason. A supercharger at 8psi puts it at about 300 at the wheels. Now it won't win from a dig against an awd with the same horsepower, but on the highway it will very easily be able to hang with the contenders, and most likely be faster due to its light weight.
Take an S2000 with the power specs as the evo you are comparing it against, throw them on a track, ANY track, and see who wins.
Ridiculous comparing a 20psi turbo against a NA engine, then bragging about how your car was a bit faster on the highway, failing to even mention what happened once you got off the freeway and followed the s2000 into the mountains. This would be all in stock form btw.
But ON topic, that thing is hideous. End of story.
false, right outta the box for both cars our evo will have a hard time keeping up with an s2k. this is for one reason, weight. put some stickier tires on the s2k and you're beggin' for trouble (read that as byebyezors).
but while we're talkin' about changin' tires why don't we talk about changin' tires on the evo, and the diffs and then takin' **** out and puttin' bigger wheels on and going wide body. who wins in the end when it comes to ultimate potential? evo. case closed.
name me one time attack s2k that beats a time attack evo.... wowsers... donuts for all.
you s2k touge monsters only know how to talk about ooooh i lose you in teh twisties, oooh i lose you in autocross by seconds on a 1 minute course. SO WHAT??? you're gonna keep scaling down the track size until your car wins. how about on the longer canyons we have in california??? you think you can keep up? how about on a REAL RACE TRACK, not a "street" track... you find your "strengths" fading fast.
but go ahead, keep building the s2k, put the turbos on. bring it. i wanna see an s2k that can beat a grand touring car. just like how this lil rally box can beat 'em.
but while we're talkin' about changin' tires why don't we talk about changin' tires on the evo, and the diffs and then takin' **** out and puttin' bigger wheels on and going wide body. who wins in the end when it comes to ultimate potential? evo. case closed.
name me one time attack s2k that beats a time attack evo.... wowsers... donuts for all.
you s2k touge monsters only know how to talk about ooooh i lose you in teh twisties, oooh i lose you in autocross by seconds on a 1 minute course. SO WHAT??? you're gonna keep scaling down the track size until your car wins. how about on the longer canyons we have in california??? you think you can keep up? how about on a REAL RACE TRACK, not a "street" track... you find your "strengths" fading fast.
but go ahead, keep building the s2k, put the turbos on. bring it. i wanna see an s2k that can beat a grand touring car. just like how this lil rally box can beat 'em.
Personally I dont like the design Turbo? hmm, as far S2000? Its too small for me but looks like its fun to drive, ones you put supercharger or stick turbo inside.
See no bashing here, I respect every car...
See no bashing here, I respect every car...
Hmm, more civilized than I expected, considering all the bashing on s2000s that's been going on.
The truth is, the further modifications go, the more edge we have in the corners. I admit evos will remain to be "faster", but only on straightaways. There's a reason rwd is the best handling class, awd being the best class for grip. It takes a driver with LOTS of experience to push the s2000 to it's limits. But once it gets there, I'm sorry but unless it's a circle track, you most likely aren't going to win.
I'm going to get flamed, but who cares. I don't blame most of you for saying what you say, especially when you just finished beating a s2000 at the light. But one argument I must throw up is that the s2000 is much more than what you think it is, a "slow car".
Stock for stock, I see most of you admitted to being a bit weaker in the handling department because of weight.
But even after all modifications done, all weight reduction possibilities completed, s2000s will still handle better, because cmon guys, be realistic. A 4 door sedan, no matter HOW race oriented and how much of a glorious history it has, push it to the limits and the car body itself isn't going to be able to achieve as much as the s2000 chassis can. Now, I bet if the evo went 2 doors with a redesigned chassis, it will most likely surpass s2000s, even in the corners because of the amount of power it has. But having 4 doors allows you to carry more passengers, and the price Mitsubishi had to pay for that was the added weight and sedan form.
The truth is, the further modifications go, the more edge we have in the corners. I admit evos will remain to be "faster", but only on straightaways. There's a reason rwd is the best handling class, awd being the best class for grip. It takes a driver with LOTS of experience to push the s2000 to it's limits. But once it gets there, I'm sorry but unless it's a circle track, you most likely aren't going to win.
I'm going to get flamed, but who cares. I don't blame most of you for saying what you say, especially when you just finished beating a s2000 at the light. But one argument I must throw up is that the s2000 is much more than what you think it is, a "slow car".
Stock for stock, I see most of you admitted to being a bit weaker in the handling department because of weight.
But even after all modifications done, all weight reduction possibilities completed, s2000s will still handle better, because cmon guys, be realistic. A 4 door sedan, no matter HOW race oriented and how much of a glorious history it has, push it to the limits and the car body itself isn't going to be able to achieve as much as the s2000 chassis can. Now, I bet if the evo went 2 doors with a redesigned chassis, it will most likely surpass s2000s, even in the corners because of the amount of power it has. But having 4 doors allows you to carry more passengers, and the price Mitsubishi had to pay for that was the added weight and sedan form.
Last edited by hellspare; Jan 10, 2007 at 01:49 PM.
so... glad the s2ks do so well at tsukuba... which is the furthest thing from a circle track. glad that the evos still kick *** every year at hyper meet. glad the s2ks show up too....
they have the cwest all carbon s2k, they have the j's racing wide body s2k, the amuse s2k that tougemonsters everywhere love the **** outta.... but in the end c'mon... tehy can't even stack up to the rx7 which is all that the s2k is plus more power. and they can't stack up to the evos which somehow dominate these lil one lap excursions.... even the skylines have a hard time running similar times, unless of course you're at a stateside track where the turns are less sharp..... oh wait... so... the s2ks can't dominate in the sharp turned courses in japan?.
show me the proof until then don't spout the stop light prowler stuff cuz it's simply not true.
they have the cwest all carbon s2k, they have the j's racing wide body s2k, the amuse s2k that tougemonsters everywhere love the **** outta.... but in the end c'mon... tehy can't even stack up to the rx7 which is all that the s2k is plus more power. and they can't stack up to the evos which somehow dominate these lil one lap excursions.... even the skylines have a hard time running similar times, unless of course you're at a stateside track where the turns are less sharp..... oh wait... so... the s2ks can't dominate in the sharp turned courses in japan?.
show me the proof until then don't spout the stop light prowler stuff cuz it's simply not true.
Last edited by trinydex; Jan 11, 2007 at 01:10 AM.
We are being realistic. And the top handling time attack machine in Japan is the Evo. With its 2 extra doors and its economy car derived chassis. I know its tough, but deal with it.
don't you konw that the s2000 is the greatest car ever. far superior to the evo and everything else. they are the greatest cars ever built. "Purpose built race cars"
don't you know anything?
lol. for those of you who thought i was serious. just kidding. The S2K is probably the biggest dissapointment i've ever driven. Slow as sh_t.
don't you know anything?
lol. for those of you who thought i was serious. just kidding. The S2K is probably the biggest dissapointment i've ever driven. Slow as sh_t.
I guess straight line speed in all that matters to evo drivers. I didn't expect much more anyways. You have the "turbo" after all.
I admit I didn't do any research, but the ONLY reason an evo would be able to run a faster time is because of the overwhelming power it has on the straights. And no, if the person driving the s2000 actually knows how to drive it, he won't lose to an evo, provided he has adequate power. And keep in mind that s2000s get the most power out of their engine in the high rpm zone, so if one keeps revving the engine in the powerband then he's fine. This is why there's less kill stories about evos vs s2000s on the highway from a roll.
It's ignorant comments like the one above me that prove just how immature some evo drivers are.
I admit I didn't do any research, but the ONLY reason an evo would be able to run a faster time is because of the overwhelming power it has on the straights. And no, if the person driving the s2000 actually knows how to drive it, he won't lose to an evo, provided he has adequate power. And keep in mind that s2000s get the most power out of their engine in the high rpm zone, so if one keeps revving the engine in the powerband then he's fine. This is why there's less kill stories about evos vs s2000s on the highway from a roll.
It's ignorant comments like the one above me that prove just how immature some evo drivers are.
Last edited by hellspare; Jan 11, 2007 at 07:32 AM.
I guess straight line speed in all that matters to evo drivers. I didn't expect much more anyways. You have the "turbo" after all.
I admit I didn't do any research, but the ONLY reason an evo would be able to run a faster time is because of the overwhelming power it has on the straights. And no, if the person driving the s2000 actually knows how to drive it, he won't lose to an evo, provided he has adequate power. And keep in mind that s2000s get the most power out of their engine in the high rpm zone, so if one keeps revving the engine in the powerband then he's fine. This is why there's less kill stories about evos vs s2000s on the highway from a roll.
It's ignorant comments like the one above that prove just how ignorant some s2k drivers are.
I admit I didn't do any research, but the ONLY reason an evo would be able to run a faster time is because of the overwhelming power it has on the straights. And no, if the person driving the s2000 actually knows how to drive it, he won't lose to an evo, provided he has adequate power. And keep in mind that s2000s get the most power out of their engine in the high rpm zone, so if one keeps revving the engine in the powerband then he's fine. This is why there's less kill stories about evos vs s2000s on the highway from a roll.
It's ignorant comments like the one above that prove just how ignorant some s2k drivers are.



