why are you guys comparing striaght line performance? Read the first post

 

75% of M models will, 3.0 Z4 probably will too. Have you guys ever even been in any of the BMWs your talkin about?

 

Any M3, any M Coupe.

And FWIW the M3 GTR has alot more than 350 ponies

 

(This is where you say, "April Fools!")

I love the E30, as it's the purist of the bunch, and just one hell of a cool car, but it's not out-handling an STi/STI or an Evo. Sorry. Throw some mods into the mix, and you've got yourself a race.

 

E36 M3s are decent handlers but I surely don't shake in my sneakers at the mention of one. It wouldn't matter how close those turds came to handling as well as an Evo or an STi/STI, because midway through the corner, mash the throttle of the Evo or STi/STI and that'll be curtains for the E36. The AWD will just pull the Evo and STi/STI right through the corners, leaving the M3 trying its best to grab traction, tail wagging.

 

He was talking about this GTR:



not this one:

 

m3 m5 335i m coupe/roadster(e46 motor) z4

all handle well and have power to back them up...

bmw's are extremely capable car's... with the right driver they are unstoppable


gravel... idk.... i dont know how to drive on gravel fast... i'm sure 95% of people on here dont know either... i wouldnt risk sliding my car to fast and hitting something

if you will let me practice in your car then im sure ill pick it up pretty quick.. i'll split ur deductible everytime i hit something

cheers!

 

i'd have to disagree. BMWs are awsome. but not unstoppable

i concur the RWD wont be able to keep up with AWD in the corners since they'll lose traction if they push it too much. the only way a bmw will pass the evo is if a drifter drives it...and they wont like it because BMWs weigh as much as tanks. lol

 

He meant they're unstoppable because they're so heavy

 

The Strass has more than 350hp as well.

 

well, you've got the "Freude am Fahren" in your sig, so I'm going to go ahead and assume you know more about the subject than 99% of us

 

Granted I don't work at a BMW Dealership but I do work in sales at a Porsche/Audi/VW Dealer and have driven many BMW products at our competitive driving classes and schools we're sent to. Also haven driven the STi I would say that both the new M3 and 335 series would be a handful for a well driven STi. The power delivery of the BMW's is much better throughout the powerband and even though they are RWD they are very driver-friendly as far as controling the tail as the vehicles are VERY predictable. Also, the BMW's have variable-assist power steering which will provide the driver a lot more feel and manoueverability than that of the STi. I noticed this was, "on gravel," which is pretty strange as you're comparing a company (Subaru) with a reputable WRC heritage against a company (BMW) who runs LeMans/RolexGT/Ect. Ect... I think all things being even the BMW could stand side by side with the STi...and at the end of the day of driving the BMW driver is going to be much happier than the STi driver.

Just my opinion...

 

lol


come on guys...havent u seen the commericals....


ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE!!!!

 

Upstate is right, the newer M3's and the 335 will be close. The Z4 3.0 is in no way going to be able to even be close in this competition, it would lose in the straights as well as the corners. I really think the E46 would struggle because of the weight and rear wheel drive. My old 350z would hang VERY well with most M3's, but it didn't handle anywhere near as well as the STI and nowhere near the Evo.

 

bmw marketers are smart. they're misleading...
ultimate driving machine because its comfortable (luxurious) while having that sport kick to it. nowhere did they mention PERFORMANCE.