First of all and foremost I am not here to **** off anyone. I am demanding respectful responses with no malicious intent. All my respects to the Evo community first.

As the majority of you already know, I use to have 2 Evos but after a couple of years I replaced them.
This topic is about comparing my newest ride agaisnt my other rides (The Evos).

Historically and statisticlly Tucson SIR is proven to be one of the slowest tracks in the nation. I can recall excatly the only 4 or 5 people that were lucky to break in to the 13's with their bone stock Evos. The fastest bone stock Evo ever to run at SIR was Rob's(fastrob691) Evo 9 RS with a 13.6@98

My Evo 9 ran a 14.0@101 bone stock, I only run it twice before taking it again for mods, later on this same car earned a place on the Tucson Evo community with a 12.5 with simple bolt ons at this same track and also 12.2 at its best at Phoenix..

My Evo 8 MR was also taken to the track, unfortunately it had some mods so it was never tested bone stock but at least you can compare its times with its mods: cone air filter, Works downpipe,Greddy Evo catback,Works 3"HF cat,
car weighted 3226lb with just under half tank. These were my first 6 ever passes on the MR:

1) 13.80@103.62
2) 13.730@101.76
3) 13.704@102.29
4) 13.661@104.68
5) 13.591@102.48
6) 13.423@103.61

I also took my Dodge Stealth R/T TT (AWD) boosting at 12psi with just a K&N and ran a 13.8@99 on 91oct. My latest car to be tested at the track was my new BMW 335I coupe with 450miles and full weight.

This car ran 5 times 13.6 (4 times 13.63) and trapped 103.2mph. Again, I am not here to brag, I am here to tell you the true side of the history. When I first drove this car for a test drive I called my best friend(Evofunk) and told him: Sergio: this BMW feels a bit fasters than my Evos out of the box. On Friday I demostrated that my instint worked very well.

While a Evo mostlikely is faster than the BMW 335i on bolt ons I think that the BMW is absolutely neck to neck with the Evo 8 and Evo 9 stock from the factory.
While the AWD is undoubtly superior, I must say that my 13.6 times on the BMW were with a 1500rpm launches, remember this car doesn't even have a rear LSD. The launches were effortlessly, smooth and almost spin free.

On the Evos I couldn't launch hard too many times with the stock clutch otherwise it would overheat. My opinion is that this BMW great torque at lower rpms makes the engine not to break a sweat contrasting to the high reving on the Evos to get them out of the whole.

My next trip is to Phoenix(Firebird Raceway). I am planing on going there next week and see how this BMW does at 1900ft lower altitude(from 3100ft to 1248ft). I have had the Vishnu-Procede for 3 month now, I haven't install it yet because I knew that I want to make a database just like I have always done on all my previous cars.
Please stay tune and I hope you guys like my feedback.

Thanks for reading.

Carlos

 

nice write up

 

I just sold my BR350 IX #005 a couple weeks ago.Before that i had a modded 03 Evo 8. I ordered an 07 335i coupe,space grey metalic,sport package,aluminum trimw/black leather,6 spd MT. While i miss the IX,BTW i had it for18 months and 10k miles i am really looking forward to getting the 335. Its currently on order and i should (i hope) be getting it by the end of august. Everything i have read about this car and heard from owners on Bimmerforums is just what i want to hear. Now that i,m 50 my tastes are just changing in cars somewhat and i,m ready for a car like the 335. After test driving one i put the BR350 up for sale and sold it like i said a couple weeks ago.No matter how much i know i,m gonna love the BMW i will always have a soft spot in my soul for the EVO. There wasnt a thing i didnt like about my IX and if you read my posts you,ll see. But like i said my tastes have changed and its time to move on to something different that boiled my blood the way the Evo did. No matter how it performs i would never have a bad thing to say about an Evo.Probably the best bang for the money out there for all around raw performance.Besides they are completly different cars and cant be compared. I am still a loyal Evom member and plan on staying on this sight.

 

I agree with what you said, I like your response Danny.. The BMW is a more comfortable and better gas mileage car to go to work everyday without the harassment of the cops.

I replaced the Evo 8 MR for a custom built Eclipse GSX so that I can take it exclusively to the track.

Carlos

 

I,m retired so i wont be commuting anywhere. Just gonna have a sweet car to drive wherever and whenever i want. (thank God). Just like the IX.

 

Nice write up Carlos !

I have a theory. 335s ECU overcompensates altitude with additional boost (2psi @ 3,000ft). That might explain why it was faster than your stock Evos. According to most of mags, 335s and Evos should perform neck-to-neck at sea level.

 

Nice to see you got your bimmer Carlas,

I see you over on the bimmer sites.

Im on the fence with the 335i , have been for 6 months. Just want to see what the 2008 and the fuel pump issues are like.

Also I havnt driven a stick yet,, just the step, without sport package, I walked away not too impressed. It was also the 4 door.

But then I got into a Z4si stick very nice, I could totally tell how the car pulled compared to my evo. Also the coolest thing was how the clutch held you when taking off from a stop. It wont let you roll back, cool, almost like an auto.

Post up some pics. Love to see what you went for.

 

nice car choice carlos. is that the twin turbo bmw. if so the shop owner at Mynes has a white one, i have drivin it several times and love the car. I will look for you at the track friday

 

Yes the 335 is the twin turbo. They look like awesome cars, I'd like to test drive one if I can get my hands on one. Interesting to see quite a few Evo owners moving to the 335i. Seems like not as many STi owners are making the move though, maybe it's just me?

 

Hi Mike, nice to hear from you.. Yes indeed Mynes shop has one BMW just like mine, I think theirs is also white and coupe but mine is the Auto. I already contacted Mike from mynes to propose him to go to the track for a BMW"match", always in a friendly and safe way.

I need to check the calendar but unless otherwise you might see me next Friday4 days from now at Phoenix.

I am going to Phoenix to bust or confirm the myth of boost compensation on the 335I's ECU. Everyone on the BMW forum swears up and down that this car truly compensates for altitude and that the ECU has a "spare" .2 bars overboost to play around when needed(overtaking, altitude differences, etc) but I am the right guy for the right test so I will be doing my own private testing.

I heard that the Subaru WRX use to compensate for boost when dealing with altitude, all I have to say is that I could only climb to Pikes peak in the summer of 2004 basicly in 1st and second, the car was dying despite making 280whp, ask Evofunk (Sergio), we were laughing.

Carlos

 

Are you sure you did not drove it in Sport mode?, it make a world of difference.. Some car magazines are trapping 105.9mph on the sedans and 13.2 1/4 miles.

My testimony is very different. I went to test drive a C6 Z06 and did not impressed me, then a couple of days later I went for a test drive on the 335I and it sold me.

While the C6 Z06 had 505hp it got brutally penalized by its excessively tall gears(60mph in 1st, 85mph in 2nd, 125mph in 3rd, etc) not to mention that the torque isn't there unless you are in the power curve.

I test drove this C6 Z06 in Tucson with some heat and I can honestly said that I wasn't impressed, I was hoping for more. Yes, I know that on paper the Z06 blows the door of the BMW 335i when pushing it to the limits but driving in town the BMW 335i superfast spool up, great torque at lower rpms and short gear ratios compensates for everything.

Carlos

 

Power loss at 14,500 ft is around 42-43%, go figure

Carlos, your 335 will be faster in Phoenix. Firebird's track compound is stickier than SIR and helps traction. You should run at least .1 sec and 1-2 mph faster.

 

it is nice to see if we can appreciate seat in your pants difference between the evo IX MR and the 335i but detailed testing by MT showed it to be slower than the evo IX MR. And of course recently in their best handling car comparo.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._evolution_mr/

 

Look perhaps or perhaps not this thread is in response to my feelings about the BMW 335i. I am here to make peace, I apologize for any prior comments and my negative attitude (maybe I woke up on the wrong side of the bed or something). In all honesty the BMW 335i is a great car and if I had the money I'd have one (but also keep my EVO of course). I have nothing against the BMW 335i and I do believe it is great car and will have great potential in the near future. I am very happy that BMW jumped back into the FI'd game and I hope and wish them the best. You've guys have done nothing wrong, all you are doing is posting results from dynos in the correct forum (other cars) and it is me that has the attitude that needs to change. So with that said I again offer my apologies to all the 335i owners on this site and e90post.com.

 

WRX. I have driven a c6zo6, and Im a little at a loss concerning your statements about it not having torque unless your in its powerband comment. I mean that car exudes torque. Hell you can go from a stop in 5th gear.....which Top Gear has proven. I think it felt dogged in Tucson because of the elevation difference. I live in Phoenix, and driving a Zo6 around here is like riding a horse that had the **** scared out of it and is intent on running for its life. hahah

Although. The 335i is obviously a better performance bargain, and has twice the luxuriousness at about half the price. Its probably one of my favorite new cars on the road today. The only thing I really really wish BMW would have done straight away is put an LSD in it.

Cant wait to see what times you get here in Phoenix with the tune! GL man!