I wonder if the small volume is due to Nissan not making any money on these? I don't doubt that Nissan will only break even on these in the US, but I have not read anything about this.

 

to all of us who have evos8 or 9,be thankfull.

 

Exactly. The whole point of the car is to boost the company's image of performance and style. Same reason cars such as the Viper exist.

 

And yet, You eventually (as I knew you would) proved me right. Thank you.
And also, if you actually had a good argument against this beast of a car, you would put more confidence in your post. Look here:
So please say a concrete rebuttal. So I can crush it

 

Oh, and to dig up a corpse.
I don't understand. They finally give you a stateside Skyline, and you think they forgot about you?

 

Turtle. How about I don't give you a rebuttle?

I know you said I proved you right....mad because it performs like a supercar and I can't have one. I concede, with no argument-you're right on that degree.

What I was saying is that I don't have anything against the car.....

regardless, I'll give you the opportunity to try to be "right" when in fact, I am stating an opinion on how I feel about the strategy of Nissan and what the car has evolved into, rather than what it used to be, versus on why the car is bad. I don't recall saying anything on that level, about the car being bad, aside from the fact that is has taken a turn into the much more elite status, than it used to be. Without actually having skylines in the states beforehand, having a benchmark is difficult at best, so Im talking on purely apprehensions and speculations. If we get a limited quanitity of these cars, it is going to suck to have them fall to the wayside into a limited edition, high dollar collectible, instead of the street assault bad-*** the SKyline is known for.

Feel free to cut and paste to prove me wrong again, it seems to work for you.


Just the same, the quantities as it stands right now are limited, that may change. The car is expensive, we knew it would be. Combining both of these, the car is appealing to a higher caste of buyer, which is fine.

The argument here is that Nissan, in big BOLD lettering argues "Bringing the super car back to the street"

480hp for 70k.....thats fine.....but I just don't see it being down on the street level anymore. (DON'T mix and match that comment, its a street car...but it is not a tuner car anymore as I see it)



It has evolved into a supercar. A legitimate, *****-out supercar, that in fact, is not the same skyline that I've been lusting after for so long.

Will I buy one? Sure. Will I tinker with it? Probably not much-thats what the Evo is for.

Not what I was looking for, I actually would rather have ONE R34 in that case.......

BUT...I must concede actually. Nissan did do a pretty good job.

But thats my opinion. Feel free to try and tell me that I shouldn't have it that way.



And by the way, I am busting your chops.........its not often on the boards you get an ACTUAL argument, mostly

"Your a f*ckin idiot!" for rebuttles and things like that,

so......um.......thanks?




IF you want to know how I feel about the car overall............there are just a couple of things that I would question.......


3800 pounds. Heavy.....but considering the size of the car and the amount of carbon reinforced plastics, aluminum and other exotic metals I can't say they did a bad job.

20" wheels.....I know, I know-15" brakes, for a 3800lb car. It all comes full circle, and I imagine for a 480hp car that costs 70k, there isn't much better one can do.


Without the car being released, I can say, for certain I hope they bring out a lighter, more race oriented version of the R35, as like I said before, this seems too VIP.

AS for "Forgetting us", it seems like this car isn't going to be the tuner car the skylines used to be. I hope, to be proven wrong. And not by you, Turtle.

Of course, if you get one Im coming to Elk Grove, wherever that is and holding you at gunpoint for the keys, despite my aprehensions about even being able to see one on the street in the next year.

 

Where is your source that the car had slicks

 

I personally like the r35..But, i see it facing the same fate as the supra did..Those that want one cant afford them,and those who can afford the them will never buy a 60,000 dollar Nissan..They look at the name on the car,not the car..They will end up buying a bmw,mercedes,porsche,etc..Then they'll quit making them,and once again we'll be stuck with the fugly evo X,and the even uglier STI hatchback thingy..I think the STI would be better had they made it a 2 door..But,back to my original subject..The performance of the GTR is amazing,and we are lucky we were evn considered on the list of countries to actually get them coming here at all..But, i still think it will be shortlived here in the states..Just my oppinion though..Justin

 

Pretty good point.


Justin, finally-someone on my side! LOL

So, Turtle, Robert, Otter.............


On an aside, what else do you guys know about the R35's motor?

I know it is an evolution of the R390 VRH35L, which was the R390's V8.

Apparently its a semi-closed deck design, and from what I have read on random websites, is that nothing but the top of the top notch rotating assemblies have been used.....

Im actually curious to find information on the head design, camshafts and the variable lift/event approach they took.

Also....turbos?

Tires....RE070s by Bridgestone.........variations of the STi rubber, or a new tire?

Run flats......yuck. I did tire installations for YEARS, I hope things have changed with RF tires-they were too stiff, too heavy and rode like crap.......

 

Ask and you shall recieve.

ENGINE:
• VR-series twin-turbocharged 3.8-litre V6.
• 353kw @ 6,800 rpm. 588 Nm torque @ 3,200–5,200 rpm.
• Dual overhead camshafts with variable intake-valve timing.
• Cast aluminum cylinder block with high-endurance/low-friction plasma-sprayed bores.
• IHI twin turbochargers, one per cylinder bank.
• Pressurized lubrication system with thermostatically controlled cooling.

DRIVETRAIN
• ATTESA ET-S All-Wheel Drive (AWD) with independent rear-mounted transaxle integrating transmission, differential and AWD transfer case.
• Rigid, lightweight carbon-composite driveshaft between engine and transaxle.
• Electronic traction control plus 1.5-way mechanically locking rear differential.
• Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC-R) with three driver-selectable settings: Normal (for daily driving, controls brakes and engine output), R-Mode (for ultimate performance, utilizes AWD torque distribution for additional vehicle stability) and Off (driver does not want the help of the system).
• Hill Start Assist prevents rollback when starting on an incline.

TRANSMISSION
• 6-speed Dual Clutch Transmission with three driver-selectable modes: Normal (for maximum smoothness and efficiency), Snow (for gentler starting and shifting on slippery surfaces), and R mode (for maximum performance with fastest shifts).
• Fully automatic shifting or full sequential manual control via gearshift or steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters.
• Dual clutch design changes gears in less than 0.5 second (0.2 second in R mode).
• Downshift Rev Matching (DRM).
• Predictive pre-shift control (in R mode) based on throttle position, vehicle speed, braking and other information.

WHEELS AND TIRES
• 20 x 9.5" (front) and 20 x 10.5" (rear) super-lightweight forged-aluminum wheels with Gunmetal Gray finish.
• Exclusively developed nitrogen-filled Bridgestone® RE070A high-capacity run-flat summer tires, 255/40R20 front and 285/35R20 rear.
• Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS).
• Optional exclusively developed nitrogen-filled Dunlop® run-flat all-season tires, 255/40R20 front and 285/35R20 rear (includes Bright Silver wheels).

BRAKES
• Brembo® 4-wheel disc brakes with 4-wheel Antilock Braking System (ABS), Brake Assist, Electronic Brakeforce Distribution and Preview Braking.
• Two-piece floating-rotor 15-inch front and rear discs with diamond-pattern internal ventilation.
• 6-piston front/4-piston rear monoblock calipers.

STEERING
• Rack-and-pinion steering with vehicle-speed-sensitive power assist.
• 2.6 steering-wheel turns lock-to-lock.

SUSPENSION
• 4-wheel independent suspension with Bilstein® DampTronic system with three driver-selectable modes: Normal/Sport (for automatic electronic control of damping), Comfort (for maximum ride comfort), and R mode (engages maximum damping rate for high-performance cornering).
• Electronically controlled variable-rate shock absorbers. High-accuracy progressive-rate coil springs.
• Front double-wishbone/rear multi-link configuration with aluminum members and rigid aluminum subframes.
• Hollow front and rear stabilizer bars.

BODY/CHASSIS
• Exclusive Premium Midship platform with jig-welded hybrid unibody.
• Aluminum hood, trunk and door skins. Die-cast aluminum door structures.
• Carbon-reinforced front crossmember/radiator support.

 

I don't understand why people are debating a car that hasn't even been launched yet. People are acting as if they've driven this car and it's crap, for gods sake guys, stop it with the bench racing nonsense. When the car comes out and people other than reviewers have driven it (ie. once the aftermarket scene gets a hold of it) than feel free to call it whatever you want.

 

Not really bench racing....Im talking about what direction Nissan took with this car.

Its obvious they are trying to enhance their image, to a higher class of car and higher class of performance and technological innovation.

By comparison, I was expecting a car that was less expensive, less horsepower and closer to what the older skylines were.

A car that appealed to the cult fans, like us.

Im not really knocking the car...not really....

 

So in comparison with the new Evo X (which I'm greatly disappointed) I think the Skyline is a step in the right direction. How many tuners are gonna get this car and have a great starting point.

When MotoRex was importing Skylines they had a 500 bhp option with the cars. whch could easily bring a used R34 around the $160k range. The R34 was supposedly just under the 300 bhp mark. Would you rather have an Evo or Skyline if it's gonna be 300 bhp? I would rather have a Evo if that were the case. But they had to do away with the straight 6 due to worldwide emissions standards. and they put a big V in it.

Just imagine the output after a boost controller, exhaust, and tune.
No suspension or brake upgrade needed.
Supercar status!
It's already faster than a Mercedes SLR around the Nurburgring!
They used a Porsche 911 turbo with the test mule and beat it.
A C6 Z06 is 5 seconds slower around the nurburgring.

I guarantee the stock rotating assembly can take 700-800 hp.
It is another over engineered car for reliability purposes.

The Top Secret sketches look crazy!

 

You guys are smoking crack!!!! The new skyline will be the KING of japanese imports........

 

Why would Nissan design a car to be a cult classic? They are a company and they want to make money, they much rather have a car that appeals to 10000 sorta car people than 1000 die hard fans. The original skyline wasn't cheap either and it was the king of imports, if they simply made another 300hp car, they'd lose that status.