The ZR-1 will go for more than 30k-50k over sticker. There have already been ebay auctions for $200,000 just for the right to get 1st dibs at the dealerships! I personally know a gentleman down here that paid 30k over sticker for the Z06 just so he could be the 1st on the coast to have it.

 

Of course Nissan is going to ask top dollar for their All Might GTR cuz they know people are going to buy it.

 

And its still slower than a nissan

Scorke

 

Wait till word on the street gets around about how GTR's are getting destroyed in drag races with the ZO6 I believe this will change opinions and uninflate some of its value. Besides have you ever driven a car at the "the ring"? Me either, so for 99.9999% of GTR buyers it shouldnt be a concern. But I bet youve been to a drag race before. Fact is if this car handled like it does but ran a 13 second 1/4mile we wouldnt even be having this discussion.

 

Why sweating about the price tag?? just wait!!! The 2nd year production GTRs will be cheaper and more refined

 

Give it a few months when more of the GTRs are relased from the ports, the mark up with be substantially less and more dealers will be willing to sell for MSRP. This car will be somewhat expensive to maintain if you follow what Nissan suggests ($1k for a trans flush, ~$6k for a pad and rotor change, etc) and will scare off a lot of potential buyers.

Sure you can buy a C6Z for $64k or whatever after discounts, but it's not a car for every one and not every one wants one. I'm actually bored of mine after a few months of ownership and kinda wish I just held onto my IX MR and waited a little later to get a GTR.

 

What is it that makes you wish you did that?

On paper the Zoh is impressive, I have only driven a C5 Zoh so I do not know how the new ones compare buttt if its an exaggerated form of its sibling it has to be good.

AWD? Or more complex than that?

Scorke

 

I have driven my evo on 3 road courses, I have been down the drag strip 3 times.

I haven't driven the ring but I would buy a car off of ring times over any other single statistic that you could use as a metric of measuring cars.

People are not going to buy the GTR to drag race it, if they are well then they are stupid. ( I feel the same way about the evo, the car was NEVER built with drag racing in mind).

Thats why the Ring test is so conclusive, it is the closest thing in my mind to how dynamic a car is. It has to go, turn, and stop, something that most people don't care to do or talk about but frankly EVO's were never meant to go down a drag strip.

Regarding the "if it handled as it did but ran 13's" you are correct, it would not be as big of a deal, because the EVO does that

Scorke

 

A bunch of little things that bother me about the car, especially the steering and shifting. I drive 7 miles one way on a private windy road every night to work and the Z isn't near as fun as the Evo was on it. Straight line acceleration is phenominal though, especially on a 3rd gear freeway pull.. never get tired of doing those.

The Corvette community is also nothing like the Evo community or even other boards that I've been on. They are real protective of their cars and absolutely can't stand it when another car out performs it, especially if it's a foreign car (i.e. GTR). While a very knowledgable about Vettes, most of the community is composed of older people and it's hard to find anything in common and of course their sense of humor doesn't jive with mine. Ah well, not a big deal for the most part and is definitely not a good reason to dislike the car. There's lots of vettes on the road too (all old farts), I usually get at least 1-2 waves from other vette owners passing by, usually I miss most of them though as I see them too late.

For some reason, I feel like a douche bag driving the car.. probably because vettes have been labeled as a "Mid-Life Crisis" car. I suppose there's more to it I guess.. crappy seats, nav sucks, doors or windows need to be open in order to close hatch without slamming hard, steering wheel too big and looks like a basic GM wheel, brakes aren't that great, not many tire options for the OE size, wife hates it, etc. The car looks awesome though and gets a lot of looks.

I'm sure Carlos will come and tell me that I should get an 08 with the revised steering and shifter or an 09 with the power hatch pull down, or do X mods to make it better or possibly mention that he initially was in the market for a GTR like he does in all GTR or Z06 posts (no offense ) but the bottom line is that the car just isn't for every one.

 

I hear you regarding the "scene", I think you will have a hard time finding a bunch of enthusiasts more dedicated to the tuner scene than with the evo.

Glad to hear that the Z cannot hold a candle to the EVO on real roads, this is thing that makes me keep coming back to not being able to let go of my evo, I cannot let go of how ridiculously quick it is over REAL roads, not tracks, not drag strips, but the roads I travel everyday. People quickly lose track of this measure of worth when it comes to the amount of numbers you can quantify...

Nice to hear your take on it as a Z owner, I appreciate it, and your car

Scorke

 

The GTR should come down in price eventually. Bill Hood Nissan out of Louisiana put up a post on the GTR forum (link in the "sticky" section of this forum). They have one red GTR premium left and are selling it for 5K over MSRP. But I called a dealership in NJ because of an ad I saw on Autotrader. It looked like they were going to sell it for MSRP because it listed sale price = MSRP. The GM stated that it was 25K over MSRP and that he would have no problem selling it for that price because he just sold one on Ebay for 95K. The problem is that people with enough disposable money to buy a GTR for 25K over MSRP will probably not do the research. They will find the nearest dealership and pay whatever markup they have. This should die down by next year.
As far as the Evo vs. the Z06 vs. the GTR etc. I really like the comparison that Road and Track did on four different types of tracks (AutoX, slow speed-sharp turn, moderate speed, oval). The Evo MR (I know, they should have used a GSR) did not even do as well as the Z06 on an AutoX track. That really surprised me. What was more surprising, was how the GTR outperformed the Z06 on every track, including the oval. The Gallardo won, but the Viper ACR came in a close second for less than half the cost. The GTR came in a close 3rd for even less (if you can get one for closer to MSRP). This comparison has me looking closer at the Viper ACR. I know that it is much harder to live with on a day to day basis, but I will probably not drive my performance car to work much, if at all. I still have not decided what to buy next year but this comparison shed some light on a few things.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6939
and for those wanting the quick results:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...finaltally.pdf
and lets compare prices vs. performance:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d..._cvr_specs.pdf

Now I know that many will argue that a few mods will even things up or completely upset the results. But when you start talking mods, you can throw everything out the window. Heck, even tires could make a huge difference in the results. But remember, you can put mods on any of these vehicles. Some are admittedly more expensive to mod but it can still be done.



I'm still looking at the GTR, M3, Z06, 996 GT3 and GT2, 996 Turbo and TurboS, possibly the 997 GT3 if they fall below 100k by next year (used), and now I have added the Viper ACR to the list. The hard part will be getting to drive some of these. The M3 and Z06 should be no problem. The others may be hard to get a test drive in or even locate one close by.

 

Not that it matters to most of you all, but the comparison above (evo, lambo, viper, gtr, Z06) has one huge flaw.

Only two of those can be considered "family" cars -- the evo and the GTR.

I've got a 2 year old so I have to have a car with 4 seats. The Evo and GTR have 4 seats (well the Evo has 5 ).

I've even looked at a 911 (996 likely because of the price), but you have to take apart the rear seat to get a car seat in and the "trunk" is definitely an afterthought.

You've not been to an autocross lately have you? The vettes are MONSTERS given than they just hammer the gas and turn the wheel . The Evo (especially the heavy as a box of lead rocks X) is a hybrid between the miata and the vettes, power, but you have to be a momemtum driver and keep the chassis balanced or you'll be doing loop-d-loops half way through (and there are no style points in autox as I was told a couple weeks ago after a particularly spectacular spinout).

 

Regardless of what anyone says or thinks... if you got $$$ to **** away, you will buy a gtr or any other car no matter the cost...

In japan when you buy the gtr, nissan makes you sign a no modification contract... no intake mod, exhaust, ecu flash, anything... your warranty will be null and void period...

dont know if they are doing that here in the states...

 

did c6 ZO6s sell for MSRP when they first came out ??? I highly doubt it . Stop crying, you won't change a thing. If you want 1 wait for hype to die down, and you will get your MSRP ...

Supply and Demand . Live with it

 

I've seen dealer markup on Corvettes in the past, Vipers, the V10 M5 when it first came out, M3s, the IS-F. Ever shop video game systems in December? You absolutely have to stick to your guns and refuse to pay anything over MSRP. You also have to be patient. That's the only real power you have as a consumer. Your "hot to buy right now" attitude is exactly what drives up the price. Eventually you will be able to get one for a fair price.