Spotted 2002 Civic Si
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From: SO.CAL.
Re: Over torque?
Originally posted by GPTourer
My question is this, if the above statement is true, that what happens
to people that put in a B series engine, then turbocharge it, then put
nitrous on it, or put in a small thermonuclear reactor or whatever -
certainly they are producing more torque then a stock H22. Are
they having to tweak their suspension as you say? I always thought
that the engine was just physically too big to put in with out
cutting up the car and thus compromising the structural integrity
of the vehicle. Surely someone doing a swap is going to get an upgraded
suspension too, right? If not then even the change from a B series from
a lighter D16 would make a difference in handling.
My question is this, if the above statement is true, that what happens
to people that put in a B series engine, then turbocharge it, then put
nitrous on it, or put in a small thermonuclear reactor or whatever -
certainly they are producing more torque then a stock H22. Are
they having to tweak their suspension as you say? I always thought
that the engine was just physically too big to put in with out
cutting up the car and thus compromising the structural integrity
of the vehicle. Surely someone doing a swap is going to get an upgraded
suspension too, right? If not then even the change from a B series from
a lighter D16 would make a difference in handling.
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From: Kilorado
Originally posted by b_tapper
He said he beat a Si just kinda assumed it was one of the thousands of fake Si's and type R civics
Well if it's the new hatch it had to be a Si. But it still has more torque and hp, so he still would've lost unless the driver was just learning stick or really wasn't racing.
He said he beat a Si just kinda assumed it was one of the thousands of fake Si's and type R civics
Well if it's the new hatch it had to be a Si. But it still has more torque and hp, so he still would've lost unless the driver was just learning stick or really wasn't racing.
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From: Chicopee, Massachusetts
B, could be right about it being a faked out SI, cause I've seen a lot of those,.... but the really scary ones are the 30 Type R's there are in my city....... Maybe Honda accidently shipped a shipment of Type R's to Western MA 
And to GSR..... A Lancer can beat an LX..... quite easily too...
Beware of the very scary Type R Dodge Neons seen 2 of those and Type R Nissan 240SX seen 1 of those
And to GSR..... A Lancer can beat an LX..... quite easily too...
Beware of the very scary Type R Dodge Neons seen 2 of those and Type R Nissan 240SX seen 1 of those
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From: Houston, Texas
Originally posted by OzRally02
Beware of the very scary Type R Dodge Neons seen 2 of those and Type R Nissan 240SX seen 1 of those
Beware of the very scary Type R Dodge Neons seen 2 of those and Type R Nissan 240SX seen 1 of those
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From: Kilorado
Originally posted by OzRally02
B, could be right about it being a faked out SI, cause I've seen a lot Type R Nissan 240SX seen 1 of those
B, could be right about it being a faked out SI, cause I've seen a lot Type R Nissan 240SX seen 1 of those
wasn't a faked one, they have an all orginal body style. twas a new 2002 si
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From: Birmingham, AL
Acceleration vs. hp
Everybody is giving this guy such a hard time about his Si
story, and although I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other,
I thought I'd just toss this story in FWIW.
When the Lancer was released, Mitsubishi sponsored a ride
and drive where they invited a lot of us salesman to Atlanta
for the class. Basically the eight hour long
program involved comparing the Lancer to its competitors. One
of them was an acceleration test. Using automatic versions,
we pitted an OZ versus a Sentra 2.0 and a VW Jetta. Our times
and our terminal speeds were all very close, however, as expected
The Sentra was consistently fastest overall. But there was a greater gap between the OZ and the Jetta then the Sentra and the OZ. I think, at the time, the Sentra was rated at 150hp. But on the street, that only translated into about a 1-2 mph
terminal velocity after about an 1/8 distance. Perhaps if allowed
to continue, the Sentra DOHC head and higher peak horsepower
would allow it to gain a larger lead, but for our tests, it didn't
seem to have such a great advantage. And I am sure this was no
accident, I bet Mitsubishi set the test up so they would look good.
Still, the fact remains, with the good torque figure (and by delivering it at lower RPM) the OZ held its own.
My point is this. Yeah, I think that a stock Si would smoke a stock
OZ Lancer in back to back acceleration or 1/4 trial under like
conditions with the same driver. But I don't think it is so farfetched
that a modified OZ, with a better more alert driver could win
on the street over a stock Si (if that's what it was). Running from light
to light, maybe they didn't get a full quarter mile in. Maybe the Si
dude got a bad start and gave up, or just couldn't catch him. Who knows, I'd be willing to just give him the benefit of the doubt.
Keep modding your Lancer. It is not a pointless exercise, like someone
pointed out. I'm sure people were (and still are) saying the same thing
about Civics. There's nothing wrong with being one of the first.
story, and although I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other,
I thought I'd just toss this story in FWIW.
When the Lancer was released, Mitsubishi sponsored a ride
and drive where they invited a lot of us salesman to Atlanta
for the class. Basically the eight hour long
program involved comparing the Lancer to its competitors. One
of them was an acceleration test. Using automatic versions,
we pitted an OZ versus a Sentra 2.0 and a VW Jetta. Our times
and our terminal speeds were all very close, however, as expected
The Sentra was consistently fastest overall. But there was a greater gap between the OZ and the Jetta then the Sentra and the OZ. I think, at the time, the Sentra was rated at 150hp. But on the street, that only translated into about a 1-2 mph
terminal velocity after about an 1/8 distance. Perhaps if allowed
to continue, the Sentra DOHC head and higher peak horsepower
would allow it to gain a larger lead, but for our tests, it didn't
seem to have such a great advantage. And I am sure this was no
accident, I bet Mitsubishi set the test up so they would look good.
Still, the fact remains, with the good torque figure (and by delivering it at lower RPM) the OZ held its own.
My point is this. Yeah, I think that a stock Si would smoke a stock
OZ Lancer in back to back acceleration or 1/4 trial under like
conditions with the same driver. But I don't think it is so farfetched
that a modified OZ, with a better more alert driver could win
on the street over a stock Si (if that's what it was). Running from light
to light, maybe they didn't get a full quarter mile in. Maybe the Si
dude got a bad start and gave up, or just couldn't catch him. Who knows, I'd be willing to just give him the benefit of the doubt.
Keep modding your Lancer. It is not a pointless exercise, like someone
pointed out. I'm sure people were (and still are) saying the same thing
about Civics. There's nothing wrong with being one of the first.
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From: Chicopee, Massachusetts
Good point GPTourer.... I guess since I know the potential of an SI, I find it very hard to believe that a slightly modded O-Z can "SMOKE" an SI, even if they had a very poor start.... It just doesn't make sense (IMO)
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From: Kilorado
Originally posted by OzRally02
I guess since I know the potential of an SI, I find it very hard to believe that a slightly modded O-Z can "SMOKE" an SI,
I guess since I know the potential of an SI, I find it very hard to believe that a slightly modded O-Z can "SMOKE" an SI,
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From: Birmingham, AL
B or H.
Hmmm... GP did Evosoul answer your question..?
or Integra unless the car was strictly for drag racing or just for the
sake of being able to say "I did it."
Looks like one could achieve just as good results with a B20 (or 18)
block, si or Type R head, and a turbo kit. Now an Accord wagon
with an turbo H22... hmmm, that would fun...
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From: Tampa, Florida
Yeah I see your point. That's about why I just want a B18C or B18C5 for the sake of having it.
Yeah I think most either strip cars or show cars would put an H22 just for that reason their speed addicts or they just want a nice look.
My friend was wanting an H22 until he found out all the cost for the mounting, the work to just get the damn engine to fit, the engine itself, labor.. all that good stuff.
Yeah I think most either strip cars or show cars would put an H22 just for that reason their speed addicts or they just want a nice look.
My friend was wanting an H22 until he found out all the cost for the mounting, the work to just get the damn engine to fit, the engine itself, labor.. all that good stuff.