My issue was when I was sitting in the seat with a helmet on, I literally could not turn my head enough or tilt far enough to actually see the people walking around the car. On track it really is NBD becasue Im not looking at whats next to the car. It was just very disconcerning dealing with having no idea where people were around me.

Of course, Im pretty use to the Evo now which you can see everything...

 

Some 2019 details for the Camaro update. The eternal battle continues...well, other than when the Camaro was dead.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...ry-update-news

A pdf download. You may have to be a member though.
http://www.camaro6.com/forums/attach...1&d=1497280129

 

Car and Driver tests Mustang GT with Performance Pack 2 - roughly similar to Camaro SS 1LE

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-drive-review

 

where do you get this? I mean hopefully it will be, but there's nothing in the article that compares it to the 1LE or even gives us any handling numbers...

 

Mainly because it definitely isn't Performance Pack 1. That's my judgement from hanging out on the Camaro6 board, on and off, for almost a couple of years. I still think the 1LE will be aster though.

 

I hope not, I have a dollar bet riding on this

 

The camaro is really damn good, but I want the ford to win. Bugs me to no end the visibility and packaging chevy does for the sake of a look. Have you seen the trunk opening?

 

I really really really like the new PP2 Mustang GT. So much that I would consider buying one and I've never thought about owning a Mustang in my life. I can't wait to see more real world testing come out about this car.

 

Not to mention that guys are breaking into the 500whp territory with an intake, , exhaust, E85, and a tune with this updated Coyote motor.

 

I think the PP2 is a great package if you plan on leaving the car stock. If you plan to follow anything beyond SCCA STP rules, then a base model certainly makes more sense. Either way, I really like the new car except the weight. I really wish we could get 400-500lbs out of the car with the same drivetrain.

 

I really wish the SS 1LE was a ZL1 1LE minus the blower (similar to the Grand Sport Vette being pretty identical to the Z06 minus the blower). Both cars may offer the 1LE package, but not including the blower, the ZL1 is still leaps and bounds above the SS.

 

that would be the Z28... if the PP2 Mustang tops the SS 1LE, GM will have the excuse to make a Z28

 

That would be great except if they're going to use the term Z/28...I would hope that would be saved their top of the line model. Silly I know lol

 

well the previous gen had a Z28 and a ZL1... GM doesn't put a huge emphasis on staying true to historical trim levels. Personally I don't care, as long as they make a badass car...

 

The Ford's redline makes it more fun, imo. Even if I think the 1LE would beat it, stock for stock.