Looks like CA wants to ban certain vehicle manufactures from selling new vehicles next year since they wont meet CA standard for smog. Even though they meet federal smog standards, CA has got to one up everyone like normal. Will they actually go through with it? It looks like its mostly for state use vehicles only though. Does that mean we may have Civics or Accords being the new police cars haha?

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/c...190039757.html

I think you read that wrong (or maybe I did) but it just said they wont buy vehicles from those MFG's for the Government. Not ban the sales of their vehicles to the public.

Sorry, I added to my post right before you said that! That is what I read too.

Yes, the article specifically says "for government fleets". Nothing about consumer purchases.

Seems reasonable for a government to put their money where their mouth is.

That would be the next question. Would they put a ban on new vehicles being sold to the public if they dont meet CA smog standard? It always starts with something and this could be it.

Yah of course they will. This won't end until every new vehicle being sold is electric. They want ICE to be phased out like horses.

The grid can already barely support so cal in the summer when demand is high. And then when it gets windy they have to turn the power off so if a line falls it doesn't start a fire because they refuse to let PG&E clear brush/trees around lines. How are they going to deal with electric cars? lmao

No to mention there aren't enough raw materials on the plant to make batteries for everyone to have E-cars.

thats why we gotta hurry up and start mining those comets

I'm perfectly happy not having E-cars.

Well not everyone on the planet has cars now anyway. It's early days, new battery chemistries will be developed. Solid state batteries are starting to become a thing. There is also this kind of AC/DC type battle going on between hydrogen fuel cell electric and battery. It will be interesting to see which one will win out.

As for the power grid...yah PG&E is terrible DWP isn't as bad but not great. Capitalism in theory should handle the grid upgrades as demand is increased.

I know one things for sure, people in the future aren't going to give a crap about how much we enjoy I.C.E. they will just see it as a loud obnoxious hazard to the environment.

everyone should hurry the **** up and move to electric cars. then ICE cars can be used purely for what horses are now - personal enjoyment/racing.

When I can buy an electric Raptor, with a range of 400+ miles, and it can recharge in 7 minutes (how long it takes to put 33 gallons of fuel in my gas Raptor). Oh and the charging station network needs to be on par with the current gas station network. Then I'll buy one. Until then, no thanks.

Currently Ecars don't even have smaller lifetime carbon footprint than gas vehicles due to the mining and logistics of battery materials, and battery manufacturing and recycling. So I'm not sure what the rush is. I'll let the tech improve, and wait for a better car than a tesla to come out and at a better price point.

what do you mean by lifetime carbon footprint?

Batteries can be recycled. Up to 96% (currently) of the materials can be recovered and reused to make new batteries.

Ford does have an electric F-150 coming out. Seeing how the new mustang Mach-E is playing out I wouldn't be surprised by an electric raptor at some point.

As far as infrastructure, electricity is everywhere. You can charge it in your garage. Can you fill up your truck in front of your house every night? My guess is though that you would probably need to wait for the next gen of battery technology to get the charging speed and range your looking for.

I can fill my truck up 1/4 mile from my house. It's basically at home.

Disregard the carbon foot print comment. I incorrectly recalled a comparison I read between gas/electric hybrids, and gas vehicles.

this post is kind of an oxymoron. you want the tech and infrastructure to improve, but for that to happen people need to buy electric cars. There needs to be a demand for there to be a supply. If nobody buys electric cars, there's no demand for improving the tech and infrastructure... and it'll never happen. So people need to buy electric cars (just not me cause I'm with you on waiting), and specifically not Tesla's. Because the Tesla charging infrastructure is actually pretty good but only Tesla's can charge there.

as far as 400 mile range... most ICE cars fall somewhere in the 250-300 mile range on one tank. most current electric cars are in the 200-250 range (evo is in this same boat unless you drive it like a prius), but you can charge them at home every night so that kinda partly makes up for the deficiency. The only time it really counts is when you're going on a 200+ mile road trip... so if you do that (or a few other niche uses) than an electric car isn't a good option. If you have a house or a condo/appt with chargers installed, an electric car isn't an inconvenience for most people that live in reasonably populated areas.