You can't just divorce policy from market performance. Without regulations, California becomes a toxic wasteland that nobody wants to live in.

 

Most of the homes in all the cities I've been in are around $300k.

 

The hassles with smogging older, even stock, cars is one of things making me consider selling the evo in the next few years. I had an engine swap rx7 fd many years ago that made it through the referee and got a bar sticker with smog certificate. I remember them measuring the distance from the manifold to cats and putting a mirror underneath the gas tank looking for the donor car tank and emissions equipment. Took it to get smogged a year later and only after going to 5+ different shops found someone who was willing to actually do it. Was in the same condition as when I brought it to the referee. I know an engine swap is a whole different beast, but it was frustrating. Made me realize the smog system is designed to be push button and if there is even the tiniest doubt the car will likely fail. And if it's the referee that failed it, you might be out of luck to ever get it back on the road with in-state registration.

 

LOL. So yea, guess you never go to any major cities in California.

For where you live, Fresno, the average home price is $368K, where it averages a month of 100*f days in the summer.

Compared to:

San Francisco : $1.2m
Mill Valley : $2.0m
Oakland : $960k
Berkeley : $1.6m
San Jose : $1.3m
Los Angeles : $930k
Orange County : $950k
San Diego : $918k
Santa Barbara : $1.6m
San Luis Obispo : $975k

All the inland areas, like Fresno, are significantly cheaper... and there is a reason.

 

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It's also legal to swap an engine from one of the same year/make/model but different trim to another I.E. a Type R engine into a GSR. But... try telling a smog tech that. Even when you show them the paperwork from BAR. The fines in CA are SOOO steep, they are afraid to do ANYTHING. I feel for smog shops.

Of course I go to major cities. Pretty much every month. I just don't live in any of them. That's why I'm in Fresno: I can get to any of those places in less than 3hrs. Oh, and I can afford to do fun stuff at, literally, any other time. There's a reason everyone is coming here from the bay area.
100* summer. Oh noes. Like so many other "freedom states". Like NV. AZ. TX. Or you can have below zero winters. Or live in the boonies. Or where it's humid. Pick your poison.
Can't blame me for living where it's cheaper and less liberal.
People are always going to complain about everywhere. At least I live in an amazing state that I enjoy every single day of the year. 60* winters are a *****.

 

I was responding to your statement:

So if you actually go to major cities in California, your statement is 100% false.

Nobody that loves anything good in California is moving from the Bay Area to freaking Fresno. It's ranked in the top 50 most dangerous cities in the United States. You literally stated you drive three hours. Fresno has been a total shiat hole for over 20 years.

You finally showed your true colors and stated your anti “liberal” sound piece so now I know what I am dealing with and all our past conversations now make complete sense.

 

Also, Fresno is not a major hub for work/job center like the coastal cities are, which is what my original comment was alluding too..

And if you're active (like me) I can get to the beach in 40 minutes, snow in 4 hours, and I have a plethora of mountain bike trails all inside an hour from me. Not to mention wineries, etc. Once we get ready to move we're probably looking at Sonoma area since housing is still reasonable up there (for now) and my wife can work remotely but still get paid the same..

 

So back on topic, I had to go through state ref yesterday for the ECU data check fail as they call it. Fortunately for me the car is not super modded, so all I had to do was swap back in the down pipe, factory cat, factory injectors and re-flash the ECU with the original factory tune, which I was fortunate my tuner had kept a copy of (he last tweaked the tune like 10+ years ago, lol). Car passed without a hiccup. The CAL-ID number was: 1860A465CC and the CVN was: 786B707B, this is for a 2006 Evo IX GSR. Now that the car has passed, and since I have to now mess with the car every 2 years for smog (whereas before I'd just drive it down to smog and viola done), I may finally get off my *** and do a couple more things to the car (way to go CARB for motivation, lol).

Anywho, if someone has questions about state ref and my experience, feel free to message me.

 

I meant cities I've lived in. They have all been in my kinda sorta area. $300k is only within the last few years even. It's been far cheaper for a really long time.
And yes. We have a major influx of bay area residents coming to "**** hole" Fresno because after scoping the place or for themselves they realize it's quite the best kept secret.
Personally, I like people thinking Fresno and California suck. Leaves more for me
As for the personal jabs regarding politics, nice try. I don't care about politics. Anyone who doesn't believe places like the Bay area are FUBAR are fooling themselves. If that's you, you're of course entitled to opinion. It's a crap show over there.
"Your true colors", please. You are reading way too much into my comments, dude. Not the first time, though, so no worries. So, yeah. You caught me. I don't like cities where people are allowed to take ****s in the street.

Aaaaaalmost sounds like you live here. Beach is 2.5hrs but Yosemite is about an hour away and hiking/bike trails about 20mins. Snowboarding is 1.5hrs away.. not too bad, I guess. We have breweries and wineries but the wine obviously isn't Nor Cal quality. Interesting how cool stuff from the bigger areas has filtered down to smaller places like Fresno.
oh, and Sonoma is nice, I dig it. Good luck on that.
KW, Amazon, BitWise, and other companies have set up shop here. Jobs are cool .. But all the above are why housing prices have doubled and climbing. It's a bit of a bummer too.

 

I’m literally just quoting you. I’ve noticed this is your MO. You state something, then people call you out, then you deflect. No reading into anything. I’ve also lived in the Bay Area, Fresno and Southern California.

The only reason people are moving to Fresno from those other places are because of the home prices, not because they actually prefer Fresno over the Bay Area. I moved out of California for the same reason. If that wasn’t a factor, I would still live there, but definitely not Fresno.

You even keep repeating how you travel away from Fresno for good things.

 

So they prefer Fresno over the Bay Area.... Because of housing prices. Yes, that's exactly what we are saying. Or does that not count as a preference?
​​​​​​To them it's a big enough of a deal to move. If it were that miserable for them they would go somewhere else. Fresno isn't the only cheap game in town.
and yes I love driving all over CA to do fun things. I'm extra motivated seeing how I'm dead center of it all.
Soo many choices (road trips every month ).
Everybody takes road trips to do and see new things. Nobody just sits and stays in their home town, so not sure how taking road trips makes Fresno look bad.
​​​p.s. which part of Fresno were you in? It's 99.9% certain I've been in that area at some point. I've Been in Fresno off and on since 1986 (crazy how it's changed).

 

Bryan and Jason, let's talk car. Everyone makes a choice of living location based on many factor, and they are personal like taste in partners, food, music, and more.

FYI: Meta/FB, Google (Alphabet), and Apple are only 3 companies that individually stand out, but by no means dominate the Silicon Valley Economics: there are perhaps tens-of-thousands of technology companies in the SF Bay Area.

Keep in mind that many leading companies such as Apple, are NOT registered in California, they pay some local taxes, but their income is World-Wide, and their Headquarter is in tax-friendly zone. Apple is for example in Cork, Ireland. Google is registered in in Mountain View but their income is also world-wide so they may not pay a lot of taxes in US, and Meta is registered in Delaware.

The Semiconductor Equipment industry world-wide center is in Silicon Valley ,AMAT, LAM, KLA, Mattson, etc. Oracle, Cisco, Intel, HP, Ebay, Agilant, Broadcom, national labs like SLAC, Lawrence Livermore, Berkley Labs,

And let's not forget old-school business like energy, banking, Chevron, Visa, Wells Fargo

It's a cool and expensive area, FYI: mid-of Silicon Valley to Tahoe Ski Resorts is 3hrs and 15 minutes drive at 75mph. And San Jose to Santa Cruz, or San Mateo to Half Moon Bay, is 30 minutes drive, to the Ocean.



I am most interested in smog, as my cars now do not have stock frame turbo.
You can hide an FP Red, and you can tune the car to pass on cams, and injectors are maybe not evident if it works fine, but full tubular manifold is clear give-away.

 

First, if Fresno were the only place in Cali that I could afford to live in, I would reluctantly leave for Nevada. A lot of folks from the Bay have been moving here to Folsom and neighboring El Dorado Hills. Home prices are still a bit high ($600K and up) but we have lots of recreation and a well educated (read liberal) population.



Second, if I wanted a daily driver that I could take to the track, I would get rid of my Evo. Instead I would get something with 600+ hp stock and do suspension and brake upgrades. Rather than deal with smog, I took my Evo non-op. Now my daily driver is an F-150 with no power windows.

 

 

This is where i'm at right now in going to factory - 08 gsr with last stock rom having had the first-year 5krpm hesitation fix/tune recall applied to it. Which i'm guessing belongs to 52680017/0018/0020(thanks razor and everyone who made it possible for all that info/data to be accessible).
Or go with one of two final revisions for that model year - 52680024 & 0027 of which they probably belong to tsb-13-13-009 & sc-13-004 - they both share the same software P/N too(according to the PCMUpdates.pdf on the mitsubishi tech info site) which makes it trickier to choose which to go with.

Afaik that(sc-13-004) was the last ecu-related fix to be provided to owners of 2008s through(possibly) 2014s that isn't dependent on warranty coverage & is provided at no cost as stated in the customer communication letter, so perhaps that gives it more weight and is the rom used as the basis to determine what data to use as the -final & most up-to-date- in state databases for testing purposes.

Plus theres another difference on the communication letter sent to dealers for those two bullitens(pulled from the nhtsa site).
On page 12 of sc-13-004 there is a strike-through on the instruction line of "The Control Module Label is NOT used for this reflash. It should be discarded." Whereas on page 12 of tsb-13-13-009 the instruction line is unaltered.
Maybe becaue the change made from the sc-13-004 flash more notably effects emissions so it was mandatory to have the sticker placed after completion? Which again, might give it more weight for emissions testing.

Anyhow, all that to say that it's true, just gotta decide what is appropriate for each situation. Though with some uncertainties that kinda make it tricky(but with signs pointing to the most recent rom needed?) how to pick what exact rom revision to use I can see how some flash a valid model year rom and ended up not passing as it wasn't the exact rom revision and resulting cvn that was being looked for.